Because the name Apprentice is supposed to work off of Master. Just "Apprentice" makes no sense. Apprentice of who?

not my problem lol

Your whole argument is not our problem either :D it won't affect me in the least cause the rules are clear and win't change because you rally your friends together and scream loudly

i didn t know i had as many friends! you cannot ignore all these voices and do as you wish! sorry

See if i can ;)

I'd also like to add one thing to this discussion; Cowboy asked for volunteers for the CL panel before the start of this Clan League; some people like Farah and Otterycat stepped up, but overall there were too little people. The only reason I'm part of it, or that there's a lot of masters there is that he had to ask people to join 1 on 1.

Not really. I applied, but the cheaters didn't want me to be on the panel because they want to cheat(like Otterycat cheating this season). It was funny when someone like Farah who cheated and hid it for years until someone find it out was writing comments like "Maayan had questionable methods of information gathering". Initially I thought Cowboy was not biased, but he was biased too since he gave priority to cheaters and not to someone who doesn't cheat/doesn't want to cheat.

If I had chosen you to join the panel, It literally would've just been me and you. Sorry, but most people just don't like you due to your past behavior.

Most people from Cheater clan and Cheaters' circles?

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Farah and Ottery were not the only ones that didn't want to work with you.

Since Clan representatives didn't vote and since Farah, Ottery and whoever x,y,z who didn't want me on panel are not representation of community who wants CL, it is obviously bias. If it was like you asked players 1 on 1 to join panel, randomly, coincidentally from Masters mostly, then it raises the suspicion like you want to have the panel only from it or few clans.

As soon as decision on panel was made by you, seemingly biased, I wrote something like "don't make CL into Cheater's league" and few days after I see that the panel member is breaking the rule. Sure, it is claimed and approved as "unintentional", but idk what kind of shameless behavior it is to get on the panel to break the rules. Funny how few players like such shameless behavior and don't like me for spying on cheaters.

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I hope that whoever is going to lead cl after cowboy, will give mayo a chance. He'd definitely enrich tons of discussions and hopefully even come out with proof on people's wrongdoings. That guy is a one-man-army, whoever won't accept his services can only blame himself. I also bet, rakleader from sninja would support mayo on any panel strongly.

The decision was ruled on by the ethics panel. What Ottery did was a misinterpretation of the rules.

Also when it comes to choosing leadership, clan vote will nearly always be the option. It was done in CL11, and the administration didn't even last half a season.

And yes, no one likes you spying on other people, using 6 to 7 alts in arguments, holding onto screenshots until it's advantages for you, mass downvote forum posts, and the accusatory nature to which you speak to the organizers.

We need more tinfoil hats. Man, how many conspiracy theories can you people come up with? Did you know Masters, Apprentice and Blitz faked the moonlanding too?

Guys, we need to go deeper. MASTERS has 7 letters. You know what else has 7 letters? That's right. tinfoil. tinfoil rhymes with nympho. Coincidence? Apprentice has 10 letters. 10-3=7. Cheater also has 7 letters.

MASTERS are coronavirus confirmed.

Sadly many players who didn't cheat were expressing their good opinion on exposing the cheaters and remember that all cheaters are not Bliss or Bugs to accept it. From start to end they tried to deny it, even you Cowboy, and only when I bugged players to give screenshots or the mysterious Whistle got screenshots of cheating and forced Cheaters clan to accept it, they accepted it. It is not that Masters and Cheater have 7 letters, but how shamelessly they cheated even when they're good at the game and even more shameless to hide it for much time until someone spied(?) to force them to confess it.

Good that whistle guy used some alt or someone's account to whistleblow or else he will be disliked by cheaters and cheaters' circle. I don't want to be on the panel, but given that it was biased due to "questionable methods of information gathering/spying" when I gave the sources for information is the problem and when there is a player who cheated and hid it shamelessly, a player who hops onto panel to cheat makes it even worse. If rakleader is going to make me solo CL leader will he force me to call cheaters as honorable rule breakers? Let's find it out in the next episode of DBZ.

Using alts in conversation doesn't break any rule and it is just the accounts I had logged in at that time. I did downvote with alts, but got warned and reverted it and I also reported with alts, got warned-but with no brain mod playing favorites in reports not taking actions for reports on himself or his clanmates, exposing reports I had to report with alts and even ask for wz mates to report, so that it goes to different mods and atleast someone takes action. Guess I should have joined Apprentice or 101st to get such privileges, but it is not related to CL, so we can make a new thread for it.

p.s: I think no brain mod will not take action on the recent report I made due to bias and seems reporting with alts to get it to different mod is the only option.

What're you smoking because I'd sure love some Mr Mayonnaise.

(:

You can continue to think what you did was fine, but the methods you used still are gonna rub people the wrong way. Sneaking alts into other's clans, just to find anything they did wrong is not something that most will appreciate.

Since, this train is derailing so fast, let me try and lay some new rails and bring things back. Here is the OP, and my comments.

Hi all,

I open this thread about imo the non fair come back of Master clan in the CL.

Yesterday I learned that the Masters wanted to return to competition, good news at first ... Except that according to a stupid rule they can return directly to division A.

We will not question here the old Master events during a CL with the discovery of cheating on their part ... But I still want to report it.

This is kinda an impolite and very passive aggressive way to open a discussion thread. However, taking away the adjectives, we can conclude that Masters can return to Div A, as per the rules.

It therefore seems that the Masters will simply take the place of another clan to avoid climbing division after division but return directly to the top. It would however be much more glorious on your part to start from the bottom and climb to show your supremacy. It is clearly not normal to be able to make this kind of deal, if the players of your clan wish to return directly to division A they have only to leave the Masters and go to a clan of division A.

Here are some more details on the rule. However, the write-up appears to be based on a misunderstanding and have a few wrong facts. First, Masters is not 'taking' anyone's spot. Apprentice is moving into/merging with Masters. As of right now, that spot is Apprentice. As have been normal and done several times in the past CL, the spot follows the players of a clan. The rules then say, that if players left in Apprentice are less then 1/3 of slots and points, another clan can claim the spot. (This means at least 2/3 of Apprentice have left). If that is the case, another clan can claim the spot: if and only if, they meet the normal 1/3 requirement of both slots and points AND is not contested by another clan also meeting the requirement.

It is a clan league, the most prestigious competition of Warzone to represent the clans. The Apprentices have made their way and it is in my opinion too simple and especially not fair for other clans to act as you do .... Although a so-called rule authorizes you, this rule has always been frowned upon and should have been removed long ago.

It's the other way around. The rule was added due to a need and as a protection for players who made their way up through the division but found themselves with an inoperable clan (for example, this is super useful if a clan ends up with no active player having manager rights). When it was added, and then used, the rule was seen as a success. I should also add, that this rule is quite old at this point.

So instead of imposing yourself badly as you do, removing chances of victory in Division A for other clans (because yes you are strong there is no problem above and you will therefore have an impact on the season when arriving directly at the top) why not do like everyone else and climb the ladder one by one to reconnect with division A and impose your supremacy? Would still be more rewarding don't you think?

More misinformation. First, any clan in A have the same chances of winning A. Secondly, it sounds like it is somewhat unlikely that they will end up in A next CL, as they look to qualify for B.

My request will surely be useless because you do not care what others think, but at least let room for a vote of each clan to see if the majority of clans agree to see you again live at the top. After two years of inactivity on the competition it would be a minimum for the respect of the game and others!

I think this is where we have the source of the confusion. After 2 years of inactivity, the past drama have flown by OP and perhaps FC in general. The simplified recap is : Some masters players broke the rules, and where suspended for various lengths. At the time, of the suspension, there was quite a lot of drama. I belive I would be correct in saying that most players found the punishments invoked harsh. I do want to add, that there was no suspension towards the Master clan itself, only individual players. And many tried to encourage them to recruit some players and play in the next CL. In fact, myself and others suggested that they should merge or recruit players from Apprentice to field a rooster.

Really, all that have occurred is that Masters/Apprentice have taken some extra time to reach that decisions.

I liked the conspiracy explanation better =/

Let me know when the movie comes out