I hope that whoever is going to lead cl after cowboy, will give mayo a chance. He'd definitely enrich tons of discussions and hopefully even come out with proof on people's wrongdoings. That guy is a one-man-army, whoever won't accept his services can only blame himself. I also bet, rakleader from sninja would support mayo on any panel strongly.

The decision was ruled on by the ethics panel. What Ottery did was a misinterpretation of the rules.

Also when it comes to choosing leadership, clan vote will nearly always be the option. It was done in CL11, and the administration didn't even last half a season.

And yes, no one likes you spying on other people, using 6 to 7 alts in arguments, holding onto screenshots until it's advantages for you, mass downvote forum posts, and the accusatory nature to which you speak to the organizers.

We need more tinfoil hats. Man, how many conspiracy theories can you people come up with? Did you know Masters, Apprentice and Blitz faked the moonlanding too?

Guys, we need to go deeper. MASTERS has 7 letters. You know what else has 7 letters? That's right. tinfoil. tinfoil rhymes with nympho. Coincidence? Apprentice has 10 letters. 10-3=7. Cheater also has 7 letters.

MASTERS are coronavirus confirmed.

Sadly many players who didn't cheat were expressing their good opinion on exposing the cheaters and remember that all cheaters are not Bliss or Bugs to accept it. From start to end they tried to deny it, even you Cowboy, and only when I bugged players to give screenshots or the mysterious Whistle got screenshots of cheating and forced Cheaters clan to accept it, they accepted it. It is not that Masters and Cheater have 7 letters, but how shamelessly they cheated even when they're good at the game and even more shameless to hide it for much time until someone spied(?) to force them to confess it.

Good that whistle guy used some alt or someone's account to whistleblow or else he will be disliked by cheaters and cheaters' circle. I don't want to be on the panel, but given that it was biased due to "questionable methods of information gathering/spying" when I gave the sources for information is the problem and when there is a player who cheated and hid it shamelessly, a player who hops onto panel to cheat makes it even worse. If rakleader is going to make me solo CL leader will he force me to call cheaters as honorable rule breakers? Let's find it out in the next episode of DBZ.

Using alts in conversation doesn't break any rule and it is just the accounts I had logged in at that time. I did downvote with alts, but got warned and reverted it and I also reported with alts, got warned-but with no brain mod playing favorites in reports not taking actions for reports on himself or his clanmates, exposing reports I had to report with alts and even ask for wz mates to report, so that it goes to different mods and atleast someone takes action. Guess I should have joined Apprentice or 101st to get such privileges, but it is not related to CL, so we can make a new thread for it.

p.s: I think no brain mod will not take action on the recent report I made due to bias and seems reporting with alts to get it to different mod is the only option.

What're you smoking because I'd sure love some Mr Mayonnaise.

(:

You can continue to think what you did was fine, but the methods you used still are gonna rub people the wrong way. Sneaking alts into other's clans, just to find anything they did wrong is not something that most will appreciate.

Since, this train is derailing so fast, let me try and lay some new rails and bring things back. Here is the OP, and my comments.

Hi all,

I open this thread about imo the non fair come back of Master clan in the CL.

Yesterday I learned that the Masters wanted to return to competition, good news at first ... Except that according to a stupid rule they can return directly to division A.

We will not question here the old Master events during a CL with the discovery of cheating on their part ... But I still want to report it.

This is kinda an impolite and very passive aggressive way to open a discussion thread. However, taking away the adjectives, we can conclude that Masters can return to Div A, as per the rules.

It therefore seems that the Masters will simply take the place of another clan to avoid climbing division after division but return directly to the top. It would however be much more glorious on your part to start from the bottom and climb to show your supremacy. It is clearly not normal to be able to make this kind of deal, if the players of your clan wish to return directly to division A they have only to leave the Masters and go to a clan of division A.

Here are some more details on the rule. However, the write-up appears to be based on a misunderstanding and have a few wrong facts. First, Masters is not 'taking' anyone's spot. Apprentice is moving into/merging with Masters. As of right now, that spot is Apprentice. As have been normal and done several times in the past CL, the spot follows the players of a clan. The rules then say, that if players left in Apprentice are less then 1/3 of slots and points, another clan can claim the spot. (This means at least 2/3 of Apprentice have left). If that is the case, another clan can claim the spot: if and only if, they meet the normal 1/3 requirement of both slots and points AND is not contested by another clan also meeting the requirement.

It is a clan league, the most prestigious competition of Warzone to represent the clans. The Apprentices have made their way and it is in my opinion too simple and especially not fair for other clans to act as you do .... Although a so-called rule authorizes you, this rule has always been frowned upon and should have been removed long ago.

It's the other way around. The rule was added due to a need and as a protection for players who made their way up through the division but found themselves with an inoperable clan (for example, this is super useful if a clan ends up with no active player having manager rights). When it was added, and then used, the rule was seen as a success. I should also add, that this rule is quite old at this point.

So instead of imposing yourself badly as you do, removing chances of victory in Division A for other clans (because yes you are strong there is no problem above and you will therefore have an impact on the season when arriving directly at the top) why not do like everyone else and climb the ladder one by one to reconnect with division A and impose your supremacy? Would still be more rewarding don't you think?

More misinformation. First, any clan in A have the same chances of winning A. Secondly, it sounds like it is somewhat unlikely that they will end up in A next CL, as they look to qualify for B.

My request will surely be useless because you do not care what others think, but at least let room for a vote of each clan to see if the majority of clans agree to see you again live at the top. After two years of inactivity on the competition it would be a minimum for the respect of the game and others!

I think this is where we have the source of the confusion. After 2 years of inactivity, the past drama have flown by OP and perhaps FC in general. The simplified recap is : Some masters players broke the rules, and where suspended for various lengths. At the time, of the suspension, there was quite a lot of drama. I belive I would be correct in saying that most players found the punishments invoked harsh. I do want to add, that there was no suspension towards the Master clan itself, only individual players. And many tried to encourage them to recruit some players and play in the next CL. In fact, myself and others suggested that they should merge or recruit players from Apprentice to field a rooster.

Really, all that have occurred is that Masters/Apprentice have taken some extra time to reach that decisions.

I liked the conspiracy explanation better =/

Let me know when the movie comes out

yep Tbest is right this derailed fast

i dont understand drama at all so me trying to get involved was umm a risk (i dont know what is the right word to put there)

@goragln no worry. that's nothing you necessarily need to involved in. grab some popcorn and watch ;P

TBest explained everything perfectly imo :)

I disclosed how I got the information and the screenshots I made for complaining about the rule breaking to the panels or moderators have information on from who I got the info, when I got the info and the conversation
shows how I got the info. I not only mailed few of these players, but mailed lot of players for it, from same clan or those who know something about it.many players I mailed didn't know what was going on, few denied it and
few didn't reply. I gave screenshots of who shared the screenshots and made it all transparent; don't be blinded by bias and look into the screenshots, ask the previous panel members, players in those clans to know how I got
those information. Since you wrote I sneaked in alts to find the information, can I ask on what basis you're writing this?

And also one of the earlier points I missed, about the "holding onto information" part; because Nauzhror was strongly saying that 101st does the ladder scheming, I asked some players about it and strangely when I got data and
asked about it to you directly you denied it, diverted it to a stalling claim I made and when I discussed with the then CL panel on the same day, because I thought they were mods, and they said like it is not violating rules, I
left it.

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I can't find the CL X server to show you when and why I brought it up, but it was like you were writing something like "don't write accusations on TJC bitch" and because I thought you were covering up their cheating like you do for your ladder scheming or 101st stalling and getting offended by the word bitch, I brought the screen shots to ask you, will you deny this too. It was like one month or two months between me asking you and posting it on CLX server. I can't give exact dates, but can give them later if I can find some more info on these.

p.s: @Norman, did you know that ladder scheming was happening in clan xD

Edited 4/11/2020 18:51:56

I don't think there are conspiracy XD the rule is clear since years. We can talk if this rule is good or not only.

I would like to thank "Mayo" for discovering all these cheaters! it is laughable because he is attacked on the methods used to discover cheating except that he does it for a noble cause! " HONESTY"
For me, not everyone who has been caught cheating should have access to positions of responsibility! like panel

Zev and mayo cl organizers 2021-20xx. The right and left hands of the devil. Best duo since cheaters deadman and beren

I don't know if I would be a good organizer, but the competition would be healthy and fair for everyone!
No straight pass or trick! And it would be in democratic form! 1 vote per clan!
There can't be DRAMA like that! Easy !!

Edited 4/11/2020 12:49:52

sister clan has 1 vote ofc