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where is the ethics panel you keep saying it but i cant find it

@goralgn: Its part of ruling structure of CL responsible for compliance with rules. If you are in CL discord, you can find all members of panel there.

You can downright play for others in your clan. (Masters, ONE, M'Hunters, TJC [former clan of xeno and dry-clean] have all done it.

We were never caught doing that ;) Thus we also never received any penalty apart from maybe a warning. The only thing we were caught doing was a guy from the same team logging into another players account in order to avoid a boot. That's why those anti M'Hunters threads from back then are still so hilarious.

Edited 4/10/2020 17:31:14

Cowboy you somehow forgot to mention that I left Ethics panel already 2 days ago. Not that I would be very suprised by that. So anything you wrote in regard that "I cannot be trusted" has no sense. And I stated right at the beginning of my post that its my personal opinion.

Wow.

Who pushed you out? Cowboy? Min?
Are Masters silencing all the ones brave enough to stand up against them?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh What the duck



There is a coup what where did that come from?

And I didn't asked past titles to be removed. We discussed this option in Ethics at that time and it did not happened, as all of you know.

This is what rise suggested, not you.

You were still in the ethics panel chat at the time you wrote the post though. You just said

"Anyway. You can make advertisement for new ethics panel member, if you want. I don't want to have anything in common with this parody of competition anymore."

I responded

"That's not my responsibility.
If the others feel you're not living up to the qualifications of your job, then they can remove you"

In which you responded

"I will stay in this discord until tomorrow to answer any questions (if they will be) and then leave. "

You didn't say anything other that you can find a replacement. For all I know you'd cool your head and get over it, but I guess not.

Also regarding :

"And I didn't asked past titles to be removed. We discussed this option in Ethics at that time and it did not happened, as all of you know.
Obviously all you neurotypicals were eager to jump to conclusions what else I could mean, while the only things I meant are those who are written precisely in my post."

You're an idiot if you think anyone was talking about Masters titles being stripped seriously. Shouldn't surprise me though coming from someone who thought, "Shut up ethics panel scum" was some proof to some conspiracy by Masters.

i was being serious about masters titles being stripped. what's the point of them having those titles if they cheated to get them? that just encourages cheating for other clans.

if the cheating was founded without a doubt then yes they should be stripped if not they stand



this should be a basic rule

The players that cheated got punished.

If the clan had worked as a full cheat ring then sure, you'd have a point, but only a handful of players ended up cheating.

Closest clan that systemically cheated was TJC, because almost everyone cheated to some extent.

Also, most of Masters cheating occurred in CL8, a season which they didn't even win.

Well that escalated quickly. I had hoped to not comment on this thread again, but feel required to inject some sanity into the discussion.

Masters or Beren cheating in the past is irrelevant to the discussion of the spot claiming rule. The rule is clearly worded and can be discussed on its merits without considering the party exercising it or the party that created it.

Intention of the rule is that the players that comprise a clan are more truly "the clan" than the clan tag. That is when awarding a spot in a clan league it should go to the players that earned that spot rather than the clan tag. This rule has already been used in the favor of current A mainstays Outlaws and One!

From a balance of competition standpoint this is clearly correct. If Clan A's position was dependent on the players that form Clan B then it is much more likely that Clan B will accurately reflect the skill of that spot. For example Outlaws split off from 101st with many of CL participants. Since that split Outlaws has outperformed 101st in CL after CL.

So on face value the rule is a good one. Next comes unintended consequences and potential abuses. Some people consider the current situation an abuse of the rule so lets consider the scenario:

1) Clan A is very strong clan that because of a lack of willing/able players drops out of CL.

2) Two seasons later Clan A convinces Clan B to merge with Clan A so that they can again play in CL using Clan B's spot and don't have to start at the bottom. Lets call the new clan AB.

Now did Clan A abuse the rule? I don't think so for two reasons: 1) Clans mergers happen and when they do the clans will inevitably use the CL spot of the clan currently in better standing. 2) Functionally there is no difference if Clan AB plays under the name Clan A or the name Clan B.

If you want to argue that the rule is bad, do so on the merits of the rule, not the persons involved.

the problem here is that the Master tag has an advantage that other clan tags do not have (not all)
If Master can do this , then the divisions (p/r) don't mean anything anymore!
the goal of the game becomes to make alliances and merge with other clans, and jump 2,3, 4 divisions
and too bad for clans who have no relationships! they only have to struggle from below
Nah really it s not fair !!

Edited 4/10/2020 23:11:47

I think a CL-wide vote should be held, if at the very least to guide the ethics/audit panel in their decision, if it comes down to potentially changing rules. Because a forum thread is fine, but it's a shouting match that won't get anywhere. A vote would clearly show who thinks what and would, in my opinion, be quite useful. Of course the result wouldn't be taken as the decision, but it could guide the decision.

Man I haven't seen this much clan league drama since Season 5!

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/42788-clan-league-5?Offset=0

I like the idea of Turtles taking the Apprentice/MASTER CLAN spot in Group A. If we were given it I'm sure we could field a competitive roster; however, it seems that Turtles would have to start in Group D. I'm not so sure that Turtles can handle the might of the French Community. They seem pretty experienced over there?


OR maybe I could ask MASTER CLAN to take me back and then I could boot for them in A for old times sake.

the problem here is that the Master tag has an advantage that other clan tags do not have

as granted by Fizzer upon buying the clanpage

the problem here is that the Master tag has an advantage that other clan tags do not have (not all)
If Master can do this , then the divisions (p/r) don't mean anything anymore!
the goal of the game becomes to make alliances and merge with other clans, and jump 2,3, 4 divisions
and too bad for clans who have no relationships! they only have to struggle from below
Nah really it s not fair !!

1) In what way does the Master tag have an advantage? Because Master is a cool name and a history of elite play? Same could be said of just about any top clan.

2) Clan mergers are part of the game. I don't really see a good way to police this. Illuminati recently merged with 101st. Is that an unfair advantage?

Its like saying if 101st merged into Illuminati, that 101st should start from division d. Is that really fair or appropriate?