101st merged with French Community and Acme co. before as well, even taking the CL spot of the former. I think that's really really unfair towards other clans which didn't have a possibility of merging into as many as three clans!

101st merged with French Community and Acme co. before as well, even taking the CL spot of the former. I think that's really really unfair towards other clans which didn't have a possibility of merging into as many as three clans!

@misterglass
is illuminati got spot to div B ?
"In what way does the Master tag have an advantage?"
i explained above.

Edited 4/11/2020 00:56:29

@Bim!

If all the Masters joined Apprentice, would you have a problem with Apprentice playing in division B?

no, Apps earned this spot

Edited 4/11/2020 01:01:01

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Well, you know the difference they are ? In what sense it is not fair ?
It's a story of awards and ethics!
We all play the CL to put our name on the charts! (or the name of our clan)
Master won 2 CL and if they merged with Apps and getting their spot as Master!
they will be able to have another title next season if Apps stays in div A or in 2 seasons if Apps goes to B instead 4 seasons like all new clan who started CL in div D ! And Master know that ! that s why they did that !
so it s not fair for other clan !

I just don't understand the thinking and we're going to have to agree to disagree. You fully admit you don't have a problem with the same group of players playing in B under the name Apprentice, so your issue is entirely with the Master clan tag. As I said earlier I find that argument petty, let the clan change their name if they want to.

From a precedence standpoint this has already happened at least twice, and people have generally agreed giving Outlaws and One! their spots was a good decision. From a competitive balance standpoint it would be better for Master to play in B than D.

Honestly think people just have a bone to pick with Master and wouldn't care if it was two clans in B-C that decided to do this.

no, it would be the same for every clans ! i just explained why Masters want to do it !
nothing against them
i contested with outlaws/101st when outlaws get the spot
and don t forget Lynx/101st where Lynx started at the bottom pls!

Edited 4/11/2020 01:33:37

I like how everyone caught our intentions before even we did. Deadman planned for the whole thing two years ago, we just waited for it till we get to play in B instead of A. Bim also realized we do it for inexistent cl trophies we don't give a damn about.

then prove it and play with Apps! it's simple however
or explain why you absolutely want to play with master tag when you can play with all your friends from Master in div A / B with Apps?
if tag and cl trophies are really not important for you !

Edited 4/11/2020 01:46:57

Because the name Apprentice is supposed to work off of Master. Just "Apprentice" makes no sense. Apprentice of who?

not my problem lol

Your whole argument is not our problem either :D it won't affect me in the least cause the rules are clear and win't change because you rally your friends together and scream loudly

i didn t know i had as many friends! you cannot ignore all these voices and do as you wish! sorry

See if i can ;)

I'd also like to add one thing to this discussion; Cowboy asked for volunteers for the CL panel before the start of this Clan League; some people like Farah and Otterycat stepped up, but overall there were too little people. The only reason I'm part of it, or that there's a lot of masters there is that he had to ask people to join 1 on 1.

Not really. I applied, but the cheaters didn't want me to be on the panel because they want to cheat(like Otterycat cheating this season). It was funny when someone like Farah who cheated and hid it for years until someone find it out was writing comments like "Maayan had questionable methods of information gathering". Initially I thought Cowboy was not biased, but he was biased too since he gave priority to cheaters and not to someone who doesn't cheat/doesn't want to cheat.

If I had chosen you to join the panel, It literally would've just been me and you. Sorry, but most people just don't like you due to your past behavior.

Most people from Cheater clan and Cheaters' circles?

Edited 4/11/2020 03:30:32

Farah and Ottery were not the only ones that didn't want to work with you.

Since Clan representatives didn't vote and since Farah, Ottery and whoever x,y,z who didn't want me on panel are not representation of community who wants CL, it is obviously bias. If it was like you asked players 1 on 1 to join panel, randomly, coincidentally from Masters mostly, then it raises the suspicion like you want to have the panel only from it or few clans.

As soon as decision on panel was made by you, seemingly biased, I wrote something like "don't make CL into Cheater's league" and few days after I see that the panel member is breaking the rule. Sure, it is claimed and approved as "unintentional", but idk what kind of shameless behavior it is to get on the panel to break the rules. Funny how few players like such shameless behavior and don't like me for spying on cheaters.

Edited 4/11/2020 04:22:14