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Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/14/2020 17:58:06


Lightning
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Simple question asked above in thread. Would you take a vaccine shot, do you really believe it works? Have you done any research on vaccines before knowing what is going inside your body system. Thank you...
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/15/2020 00:22:04


Cata Cauda
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Vaccines eradicated alot of deadly diseases in the past.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/15/2020 00:40:32


{TLA} LND
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Yes, vaccines are useful, and there is precious little scientific evidence to say otherwise.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/15/2020 17:18:24


Cursona 
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Please listen to doctors and scientists.
- downvoted post by The Ludeqrist (المُتَأَذْوِقُ)
- downvoted post by The Ludeqrist (المُتَأَذْوِقُ)
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/15/2020 18:39:27


knyte 
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Ludequist, consider reading the following to get a better understanding of why those claims are discredited:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_and_vaccines
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccines_and_autism
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/15/2020 18:52:32

The Ludeqrist (المُتَأَذْوِقُ)
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Also, I've read from 2 people, who are familiar with the Amish community, that they - the Amish - do not take vaccines and that there's no autism present among them.

Edited 7/15/2020 18:53:35
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/15/2020 18:54:33

The Ludeqrist (المُتَأَذْوِقُ)
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Litigating to the American court is not good.

Note: I posted this one because I first wrote something on my previous comment when it was unedited, but now it's deleted. This post is to clarify that I'm against litigating to the American court.

Edited 7/15/2020 19:08:34
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/15/2020 20:07:24


knyte 
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Is that you, squiggles? Welcome back.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/15/2020 20:31:13


berdan131
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Yes, everybody has to take it as a child, because it's mandatory, so there is not much choice.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/15/2020 22:16:50


Min34 
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Why wouldn't you take a vaccine shot? It has been proven enough times that they are safe and that they help in preventing diseases from going around. We even managed to eradicate diseases thanks to them.

Some people, unfortunately, can't get vaccines due to allergic reactions. I'd rather not have their deaths on my conscience nor the death of the old and the weak. So I'd rather go through the extremely mild inconvenience of having someone sticking a needle in me so I can become immune and be part of the herd immunity.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/16/2020 01:17:13


TungstenTrex
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Vaccines have never and will never cause autism. Stop spreading this false information.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/16/2020 01:18:52


TungstenTrex
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I am close to amish lands and personally know some them. I have met at least 5 amish boys on the spectrum.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/16/2020 23:22:58


Lightning
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Personally I'm not taking it. Btw for everyone who believes they are harmful, you might want to read this. All ingredients that go inside, and who knows what else they gonna add into it cause we're living in times where you cannot trust none. http://www.impffrei.at/interessante-fakten/inhaltsstoffe?fbclid=IwAR2i7avdAWhurD3rW4aBI6cVNROUjrY5SaRBjZ53ABIldi7Mkdb3DEZQvq4
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 00:45:17


Soldier of Orange
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Well Lightning what you are saying makes absolutely no sense. You know everything in this world is toxic, if incorrected dosed. Drink 6 litres water in half an hour and you die of water intoxication.

The so-called dangerous substances are toxic at low dose, but the dose in the vaccines is way lower.
Mercury for example is also prevalent in fish. This should mean according to you that everyone who likes to eat fish it autistic. Total nonsence. The autistic vaccine theory is fron a scientist that maked up conclusions without data.

The antivax community is very dangerous in my eyes. Here in the Netherlands, every year less people gets vaccinated because of fake internet tales. That means that diseases like poliomyelitis and measles can get endemic again. When these virusses mutate and become resistant for vaccins, we loose 70 years of medical improvement. This will include that mostly young children are more vulnerable for severe disease and injury, possibly making them invalids.

And all of that for some people who ignore medical science.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 00:47:46

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Edited 7/17/2020 00:50:17
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 13:25:15


Math Wolf 
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I work at a scientific institute where vaccines are rigourly tested. It is worth remembering that vaccines, like any medication, can only be approved after an extremely lengthy process with a lot of quality control. You are effectively many times more likely to become truly ill from a food poisoning on a given day than from a vaccine.* In fact, if you got a vaccine on a certain day and you are ill the next day, it is much more likely to not be related to the vaccine than it is.
*Obviously excluding the very mild reaction of the immune system that vaccines are designed to trigger and which is completely harmless.

I can only describe the autism theory with some choice words that are not allowed on Warzone. It is wrong, proven to be wrong, and as a professional statistician I can assure you that such research is untrustworthy and should never have been published.

Additionally, to go to a next technical level: autism is effectively present, but very hard to diagnosed before babies get their first vaccinations. A common misunderstanding at work here, is that if something is diagnosed later, it also was caused later. So, if you truly want to say there is a link between vaccines and autism, it should be that autism causes vaccines.

And to make this very clear to you and everyone
Have you done any research on vaccines before knowing what is going inside your body system.

Yes, much more than you will ever do in your life.
And consequently I know they are generally as safe as any other type of medication that goes through proper clinical testing.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 14:03:43


Dutch Desire 
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Making a choice not to vaccinate their children is a well-known albeit controversial practice in the Amish population by and large.
What has been largely overlooked and misunderstood as to how their immunity is robust without following the vaccination schedule as advised by conventional medicine is the psychoneuroimmunological basis that underlies their choices and hence the positive results they are experiencing as a result of those choices in the form of almost all their children being free from the symptoms of autism.

Psychoneuroimmunology is the nascent scientific discipline that studies the interaction between the mind, body and social systems and how this interaction influences health and healing. The Amish community is world renowned for their way of life that is based on
leading life in a manner that honors the intelligence of the cells of the body, trusting the signals that their bodies send that reveal what resonates with well-being and acting on those signals and impulses. Their social system and psychological conditioning therefore prepares the groundfor their choice to not vaccinate their children.

This extends onto the widespread belief that most in the community hold on to tenaciously that in fact the opposite is true –
vaccination, if they make the choice to do so, causes more harm than good. All the more so since the Amish community has become aware that they have somehow been made “immune” to the usual presentation of autism, because of their “no vaccination” mindset.
This forms the psychological platform on which their immunological protection against not only most of the childhood illnesses the vaccines are supposed to prevent, but also the absence of manifestation of the debilitating symptoms of autism, is based.

The more obvious biomedical basis for the absence of autism in the Amish community is the fact that throughout many centuries they
have rigorously followed organic farming and have been consuming only organic produce grown mostly on their own farms, by themselves. Their food is therefore pesticide free and is consistently sustained as such over many generations. And the Amish continue to maintain the same till today.

This practice reveals what may be interpreted as their belief and understanding of biomedicine as “food being medicine”. This mindset
and conditioning is again in alignment with their reverence for the land, respect for the values that they uphold, one such value being
living in harmony with the forces of nature and viewing their food as being divine and pure. As the rest of the world is dealing with the rise in the debilitating symptoms in autism at least partially precipitated by genetically modified and pesticide-laden food, the Amish have been protected from the same.
https://www.longdom.org/open-access/gabr-genes-autism-spectrum-disorder-and-epilepsy-2165-7890-1000131.pdf

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Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 14:33:36


Farah♦ 
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I got multiple diseases that could've been prevented by vaccines just by reading that.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 15:03:18


Norman 
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@Dutch Desire: I don't that much know about the Amish community and I don't know much about vaccines. However, when it comes to such closed religious communities I know the following: On the outside it all looks very bright and if you dig deeper it still looks very bright. The whole thought process of people in such communities is centered around nobody seeing their shit, with them primarily being afraid of their brothers. If such a group has a doctrine that autism can't appear in their midst then there won't be any autism.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 15:53:10


TungstenTrex
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The man, the myth, the retard Dutch Desire rises from his grave.

Shut up, you hunched dutchman. You don't even live here. The only good the amish have ever done for us is selling cheap produce.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 16:21:02


Dutch Desire 
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@Norman: No community is perfect, and that's the same for the Amish. But you're just posting baseless slander, saying they are primarily being afraid of their brothers and that the lack of autism is just because of doctrine.
That does not help much in this dialogue really.

There is no medical test, like a blood test, to diagnose autism, and the spectrum has no clear border. Doctors look at the child's developmental history and behavior to make a diagnosis.

It is easy to find sientific aritcals whish suggest that died and and age of motherhood can reduce the chance of autism, and that physical activities can reduce the symptoms, so its nothing strange that the lifestyle of the Amish reduces the chance of autism.

Also my post doesn't say that vaccine causes autism, instead it does suggest that the healthy lifestyle of the Amish reduces the chance of autism, and not the absence of vaccines.
- downvoted post by The Ludeqrist (المُتَأَذْوِقُ)
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 16:31:09


knyte 
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We've had organic food since the discovery of agriculture (turns out pesticides had to be invented too). Did not prevent smallpox, syphilis, the bubonic plague, etc. The Amish are a mixed bag health-wise: Less cancer (less tobacco), fewer STDs (fewer partners), less suicide, but also more genetic illnesses due to being an inbred population. Can't hold them as exemplars of better life and culture when they are scared of getting photographed and are frankly annoying to be around. They also do not shun medical care completely; they even maintain their own insurance program so they can afford it.

Let's not forget that the researcher who "found" the link between vaccines and autism turned out to have faked the data and lost his medical license over it. There are all sorts of fancy medical hypotheses you'll find on the internet about all sorts of things, but that's what peer review and replication studies are for. Hypotheses, even popular ones, are only worth as much as the verifiable evidence supporting them: In the 70s, thinking that a virus caused cancer was a popular view (enough for the US to waste hundreds of millions chasing it), but thanks to actually respecting evidence we now all know better.

Vaccines also require participation to fully work. The flu vaccine, for example, doesn't work 1/3 of the time on average: We need a solid majority to get vaccinated or that failure rate winds up allowing the flu to spread and kill more people (each year in the US, the flu kills 12-24k people). It's really reprehensible at this point to peddle discredited science from mom groups and nutjob sites, because the net impact of that is going to be more preventable deaths. Pre-vaccine, pre-medical care life sucked. There's a reason people had a half-dozen kids back then, and it wasn't because they were looking forward to a half-dozen surviving adult descendants. People died all the tome and entire societies got devastated periodically because we were stuck in a costly arms race, until someone people found out cowpox reduced the risk of smallpox (hence the vacc in vaccination), we started developing an understanding of how immunity works, and almost overnight saved more lives than ever before in history.

The mechanism is simple. The evidence that it works is all around you, in that your childhood friends dying was a notable occurrence and not just something you got used to. If you peddle discredited claims- frankly, lies- about vaccines, you are actively and baselessly working against one of the biggest leaps achieved by any members of humanity.

Edited 7/17/2020 16:44:38
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 17:39:30


Norman 
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Hold on there, @DutchDesire:

@Norman: No community is perfect, and that's the same for the Amish. But you're just posting baseless slander, saying they are primarily being afraid of their brothers and that the lack of autism is just because of doctrine.
That does not help much in this dialogue really.


I have neither acknowledged that the Amish don't vaccinate nor have I acknowledged that the Amish are autism free.

The only thing I have claimed is that the Amish are indeed very very very afraid and I don't need any first-hand knowledge to see that nor do I need to be a genius. This is always how such tight-knit pseudo Christian groups work. Forbidden to think they walk in the path of their forefathers and if they don't walk in line they are out. Such a group has absolutely nothing to do with some anarchic leftist back to the roots ideals.
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 19:42:55


OvertForeigner
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Vaccines will be a key factor to end the pandemic
- downvoted post by The Ludeqrist (المُتَأَذْوِقُ)
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 20:37:09


Rikku
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How does dexterous proxy strategy fit into allah plan?

Edited 7/17/2020 20:37:39
Would you take a vaccine shot, and why?: 7/17/2020 21:50:15


I Swear
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Wow. I agree with Tungsten Rex for once. What on earth is happening?!

"I can only describe the autism theory with some choice words that are not allowed on Warzone. It is wrong, proven to be wrong, and as a professional statistician I can assure you that such research is untrustworthy and should never have been published." - Math Wolf

Afaik scientific research papers are rarely pulled, once published. This really helps spread bad information. -_-
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