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Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/17/2019 21:30:29


Farah♦ 
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The template panel has gone over all the nominated templates and has selected the ones every clan will be voting on. After every template name you'll find a link to a finished game on that template.
TBest will post more information about voting, deadlines etc, but he'd rather have you all see the templates right now.
The following templates have been selected to be up for voting:


1v1



2v2


3v3


If you've nominated a template and it didn't make it in, feel free to ask anyone in the template panel about how we came to decline it.
The members of the template panel are:

- Farah♦ - https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=4543063534
- Rento - https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=269930540
- Bonsai - https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=5654719779

Edited 1/18/2019 11:11:49
- downvoted post by Cowboy
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/17/2019 22:41:44


Math Wolf 
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I kinda assumed this was going to be another troll post after Farah's recent posting behaviour. Sadly enough still not 100% sure it isn't...
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/17/2019 22:47:39


Farah♦ 
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TBest, Rento and Bonsai will be able to confirm this is serious. Also, you hurt my feelings.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/17/2019 22:52:26


Beren • apex 
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RIP Bork :(
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/17/2019 22:55:57

FiveStarGeneral 
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Lmao blegh. So after CL 9 and CL 10, we have CL 9+10.

Thanks for volunteering, Farah.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/18/2019 04:07:39


TBest 
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Thank you Farah, Rento and Bonsai. From sneak peeking at your notes I am very glad that CL benefits from your vast knowledge.

Voting time! As a reminder A and B vote to determine what templates are used in CL. The Q's vote to determine what templates will be used in Stage 1 or Stage 2 (of the templates that A and B selects)! A clans votes by sending me a WZ mail from one of their contacts.

They must be submitted before this countdown timer runs out : https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20190124T15&p0=%3A&msg=CL+11+votes&font=hand [sometime 1/24-1/25 depending on your timezone]

Votes are strongly preferred be in this format so that I can easily save time when pasting into excel. Other formats that don't require much work on my end is acceptable. The ordering is the same as Farah's post [or the CL sheet, if you prefer that]. For example in 1v1 British Raj is the 3rd number and Yin'angzhou the 4th.

A/B : 1 is the most preferred and 12 the least.
Q's : 1 is want to see it in stage 1, And 12 is want to see it in stage 2.

1v1
ClanName,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
2v2
ClanName,1,2,3,4,5,6
3v3
ClanName,1,2,3,4

3v3 Example. The templates are, in order, Europe, India, RoR, Biomes. My preference is Europe (1), India (3), RoR (4), Biomes(2). So I vote :
WZStaff,1,3,4,2

TBest, can then copy-pastes this into an excel sheet that looks like this :
https://i.gyazo.com/ad13ce981d8e9c98678ad114c4eff690.png


Edited 1/19/2019 21:50:24
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/18/2019 10:48:29

ARand0mPlayer
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Farah, could you please add the numbers before the templates in the first post? I understand from TBests post how the numbering system works, but it will prevent any errors while voting due to counting.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/18/2019 11:12:11


Farah♦ 
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Yes, updated that.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/18/2019 21:42:42


Muli 
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Just to clarify:

1) Final Earth
2) Guiroma - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9651569
3) Cookies - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11711970


Assuming I vote 2, 3, 1.
Does that mean my favorite template is Gurioma, because its number is first in the list or does it mean that Cookies is my favorite template, because the "1" (favourite) vote is at the 3rd place?

Edited 1/18/2019 22:59:41
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/18/2019 22:58:24


TBest 
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Oo I did not realize that could be read two ways. Good question.

Assuming I vote 2, 3, 1.
Does that mean my favorite template is Gurioma, because its number is first in the list or does it mean that Cookies is my favorite template, because the "1" (favorite) vote is at the 3rd place?


Your favorite in this example is Cookies, since the '1' vote is at the 3rd place.

Edited 1/18/2019 22:58:31
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/19/2019 07:10:32


Rheumakay
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Maybe it would be easier to use letters instead of numbers in your explanation for the maps - so it would be 100% clear.
But I guess everyone got it after the last example.

Edited 1/19/2019 11:27:07
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/19/2019 10:44:45

Rento 
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Yeah it's a bit confusing. Turns out I read it the wrong way.

The votes will be public as always, right? It would be nice to have like 2-3 days between votes being public and the templates being chosen, to spot errors. I bet that many will be made, even after TBest's last post.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/19/2019 10:50:08


alexclusive 
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I was pretty convinced by the 'wrong way' before I read the last posts, I can guarantee you that some clan will make this incorrectly if we don't modify. Alternatively, you could add this explanation to the initial post where you explain the voting?

Edited 1/19/2019 10:50:58
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/19/2019 12:37:00

[WG] Reza 
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I think the 'wrong' way is the method that is the most sensical.
It makes just more sense (at least to me) to list them the order in which you want them:
i.e.
3v3 templates:
1. India
2.RoR
3. Europe
4.Biomes


That should easily make sense to the administrators that I prefer India as my first pick, then RoR, then Europe and then Biomes.

There is also less chance of mistakes this way and less ambiguity, and thus less potential headaches.

(I understand the other way round is easier to administrate, just saying it might get confusing (as evidenced above) to people)

Edited 1/19/2019 13:47:03
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/19/2019 17:15:36


ChrisCMU 
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Or put it in a google sheet with all templates and have clan leaders assign their rank there. Then there is no confusion. Just give each leader their own sheet so they can't see each others ranks
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/19/2019 21:33:47


TBest 
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The votes will be public as always, right? It would be nice to have like 2-3 days between votes being public and the templates being chosen, to spot errors

Votes will be public after the deadline, yep. The plan was for me to get the votes calculated right after said deadline so that they would be ready for a live-stream that weekend. Through, I could give some time for in which I reserve the right to correct mistakes.

I will make the post I made more clear.

@Reza, Chirs. Unfortunately those two methods takes so much time that I don't consider it an option tbh. Furthermore, the more editing I do, the higher risk of mistakes being done. Should be copy-paste able to help both those points.

Edited 1/19/2019 21:44:12
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/20/2019 01:01:44


vicnus 
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Final Earth 2v2 does not have a sample game - is this the 2v2 ladder template?
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/20/2019 01:07:17

Meldarion
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There's a sample game in the docs; https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15560262
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/20/2019 11:09:20

Rento 
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Yes, it's the 2v2 ladder template.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/22/2019 16:12:19


ChrisCMU 
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I think MHunters should vote first, and send that to a 3rd party (someone not in division A). That is how I did it with my vote. So that you know I am not altering my vote after seeing everyone else vote.

Not saying you would, but it would be pretty easy to get a template in/out that was close if you already know the totals before you vote.

Edited 1/22/2019 16:13:08
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/22/2019 17:39:07


Farah♦ 
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Wouldn't want another 3v3 GL in CL, now would we? ;)
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/22/2019 18:51:36


ChrisCMU 
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What is wrong with GL?
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/22/2019 21:43:05


Platinum
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Nothing ;)

Edited 1/22/2019 21:43:37
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/22/2019 21:52:41


ChrisCMU 
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I actually think my map is fantastic BTW (no bias!)

Not sure I have any great templates on it yet, but that doesn't make the map bad.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/22/2019 23:08:02


TBest 
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I think MHunters should vote first, and send that to a 3rd party (someone not in division A). That is how I did it with my vote. So that you know I am not altering my vote after seeing everyone else vote.

Not saying you would, but it would be pretty easy to get a template in/out that was close if you already know the totals before you vote.

That is a good point. I don't decide stuff like this for MH and some clans have already voted, however I will see if I can coordinate something and let Audit get a hold of the MH vote as soon as possible.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/22/2019 23:27:04


Math Wolf 
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Audit panel members are in A.

Using a time-stamped and/or password protected environment where access is granted after the deadline could do the job could do the job.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/23/2019 09:30:10


AI 
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When TBest said he alreay received votes, then sending our votes to a 3rd party now would really make no difference because that wouldn't prevent him from potentially telling us (the MH contacts) the votes of the other clans.
Guess that you have to trust TBest in this case.
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/23/2019 19:17:52


Norman 
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In order to push a certain template over the required threshold without hampering the chances of a template we want more, we would probably have to have almost all votes. From the perspective of REWARD/(RISK X EFFORT), we'd rather pass on this cheating opportunity.

Since you guys take this kinda seriously, let just M'Hunter calculate a hash value from the mail we are sending to TBest and then post the hash to the public forums. This is the first link I found online: https://hashgenerator.de/. Then after the voting is over, we can post the mail in the forums and you guys can check whether the hashes match.

Edited 1/23/2019 19:19:00
Clan League 11: Template Voting: 1/23/2019 20:13:03


Beren • apex 
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Personally I see no reason to give TBest and MH to go through that hassle. You either trust TBest to run the league or you don't.

Edited 1/23/2019 20:13:18
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