@Chris all the clans listed are the clans who he's received votes from, the votes itself just haven't been placed into the doc yet (or so I think); only 11 of the 14 clans are listed under A/B and only 6 under Q1-4. WG is listed, so I think the votes are received :p

so out of curiosity

Deadman's Rome
Europe
China
Guiroma
Final Earth
Elitist Africa
Guiroma
Old Strat ME
Phobia
Strat Greece
Volcano Island

Is posted in the CL11 document for scores.... soooooo I'm assuming those are the templates?

I have just posted the scores to the doc, yes. I have also calculated the templates based on those scores. However, I haven't had any double checking done yet. It's too late to do before tomorrow for me, but since the bird already sung, let's consider the following as the preliminary results which may change if any errors are found :)

The formatting is also quite poor @the doc. Anyways, as I said, it's late so I am just going to throw screenshots @you.

1v1
https://i.gyazo.com/e2272fc0accbc4133c500a5351d078c8.png

https://i.gyazo.com/1c7b2cf9b5d5a4ae09f69994f9ed0eef.png

2v2
https://i.gyazo.com/6d4ee5c9e9b015a9218df7937b3eb8ce.png

https://i.gyazo.com/5211bff3dd0e46ecd749eab2ea46ae96.png

3v3
https://i.gyazo.com/a0987805f43ee64cd766758e9057ac00.png


https://i.gyazo.com/e438e4b58e5398283cce4a1b08d953f0.png

Hopefully, all the screenshots are correct. Also, when i say no double checking i realy do mean zero. I was hoping to finish this today, but it will have to wait until tomorrow. I will be happy to write more details at that point.

Edited 1/25/2019 05:11:22

Those pictures confuse me, can you explain this process?

Also, did people really vote in 3 Rome templates?

Also, why is WG not shown under 2v2 votes?

Edited 1/25/2019 05:17:51

I'm confused, can you type the templates out?

How did you total these?

For example, 3v3 Biomes gets 32 points and Rome gets 37 points. Lowest points should win, as 1 is most desired. So how did Rome get in there? On top of that, Biomes was rated #1 by 5 clans, Rome only 3. Rome was rated worst by 4 clans, Biomes 3.

What possible measure would get Rome in over Biomes?

I haven't looked at other head to head scores...I just don't understand the metrics for picking winning templates at all.


EDIT: 2v2 is odd as well. For example, Strat MME has 18 'more' points than China. It has 2 first place votes to 0. China has 6 last place votes to none for MME. How is China in over MME?

Edited 1/25/2019 05:23:38

@ Emu and Chris - I believe those are the CL9 templates that Emu listed - the spreadsheet is a copy of the CL9 spreadsheet that is being updated, and I don't believe that tab has been updated yet.

I assume from the screenshots TBest posted that probably the ones highlighted in green are the preliminary winners until he checks things over, but I'd just say everyone chill for a few until it gets posted officially.

Edited 1/25/2019 05:41:28

Well, look at the screen shots. He has Cookies 2v2 in there over MME despite it getting 7 less points. they have the same number of first place votes and cookies has 4 last place votes.

So you can see why I am confused

Edited 1/25/2019 06:15:06

Yes, I do, it's because you don't understand the counting system. Everyone gets worked up about this every time there's a vote.

Uhm, I apparently also don't understand the system. The screenshots show strange stuff like "in last round" and 2/3 of a... whatever the unit may be.

So are you saying this system picked those correctly? If so, then it is a bad system IMO.

Could someone just explain the system so we all know what is going on? :p

Do you need proficiency in math to understand? What about others?

Guess it is:

1st vote => 1 p
2nd vote => 1/2 p
3rd vote => 1/3 p

...

So your 1st vote is the most important.

And then you look, if a template makes the cut by points. If it does, the points above will be distributed to other templates. If no templates makes the cut by points at some point, the template with the lowest points will get scratched and the points will be distributed like if the template never ever was to vote.

...

It basically means, that your 1st and 2nd vote are the most important ones and the decision between 1st and 2nd vote is the important one. It isn't important, if someone votes a 1v1 template 11th or 12th.

Edited 1/25/2019 09:54:12

Once this panel has pruned the list to a manageable size, all clans in Group A and B will be asked to rank every template in the order of preference(1 being most preferred and 12 being least). These votes will be resolved using the Single Transferrable Voting system. You can learn more about it here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLH_w5kHJpA

Hmm, something seems to be wrong, assuming that i understand STV. Let's take a look at the 2v2 votes:
https://i.gyazo.com/6d4ee5c9e9b015a9218df7937b3eb8ce.png

In round one, we calculate a threshold we must meet in order to elect a template. This is usually calculated as:

T = Floor(Amount of votes / Amount of seats to fill + 1) + 1
T = Floor(14 / 4) + 1
T = 4

After that, we check if a template meets the Threshold. Three templates meet it, but Final Earth has the most votes, so it gets elected.
Now we transfer the surplus votes of Final Earth to templates that had Final Earth as first choice and said template as second choice.
So in total, we should be transferring exactly 1 vote, as FE won with a surplus of 1.

But, when looking at the next round, we have transferred:

0.6 to Guiroma
0 to Cookies
0 to MME
0.3 to China
0.6 to Szeurope

Which adds up to 1.5?
Where did the half vote come from all of a sudden?

Edit: the ratio with which votes got transferred seems to be correct, it's just not 0.3 per transferred vote, but 0.2 that needs to be added to each template's score

Edit2: Apparently the algorithm that calculates T can be changed into T = Amount of votes / Amount of seats to fill + 1
That would make the Threshold 3.5 and then it all makes sense.

Edit3: Nope. It's still not correct. The method described above in edit2 should be T = Amount of votes / Amount of seats to fill.
That would make T = 4.66, not T = 3.5
It looks like a combination of Droop and Hare quota was used?

Edited 1/25/2019 11:24:31

Take your time but Please don't guess :)

Edited 1/25/2019 16:05:47

Thank you for posting that Rento, I did not see it. It is above my head math wise though, so if the formula worked, I guess it worked and that is that.

It just baffles me that a template with the same number of first place votes, but 4-0 last place votes and 7 less 'total votes' can get in ahead of the other one. I guess if the formula worked, I would suggest not using that method in the future. It doesn't seem good to me at all.

I didn't even look at the 1v1s.

In the past, we just took vote totals. I could see if there was a tie there, you use some sort of method to break the tie. It just seems like common sense to have the most desired templates overall make it in there.

If you have a formula this complicated, how are we even supposed to know how to vote?

EDIT - ok, I read up on it. It seems like a nice system when people are not required to rank ALL preferences. So if you have 5 things up for vote, and they only rank 1-3...it helps there. But when everyone is ranking %100 of the templates, I guess I don't see why we'd use a system designed to deal with a problem we don't have?

Edited 1/25/2019 16:14:42

In every category the templates with most #1 votes got in.

In 2v2 there was a draw between Cookies and MME so it was resolved using the STV system.

That's all.

I plugged the 2v2 votes into a SVT calculator online. It validates his results (unless we both used the same one).

I still don't understand WHY we'd use the system. They both got the same number of 1st place votes and 2nd place votes. MME gets one extra 3rd place vote. It also has 1 extra 4th place vote. Basically MME was ranked higher in every way possible, or tied...and yet this system puts Cookies in. Either we used the same calculator and the calculator is flawed or I really don't understand using this thing.

From what I am reading, the purpose is to deal with hyper partisan voters. But in our case, if we really hate a template, should our vote not reflect that? A last place vote SHOULD matter I think, and this method is designed to almost throw out partisan votes.

Anyway, I am done complaining. It is what it is. It seems as though we were told this method was being used before hand, so the results are what they are.

Edited 1/25/2019 16:34:01