Honestly the easiest change is to simply change bayeselo to normal elo, like what MDL is based on. Takes care of not only stalling but ladder runs as well.

If we can't have this implemented, we won't have any other ladder change implemented either.

I came up with some punishments for stalling in my Captain Trips thread. If Alex agrees to these punishments, I think you should all put your pitchforks away and wait for the next staller (which will be me on the 3v3 ladder, I recommend you all watch my commit times closely over the next 2 weeks).

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/310703-1v1-ladder-staller-captain-trips

@Xeno

I agree with these punishments, what do we start with?^^

On the topic: I agree with Rento that a correct elo system would solve the problem, but I did quit believing that Fizzer would ever go for that. I also think that even 100% more income is too less to autofinish; for example, in a beginners game, the situation may appear that a player finishes a bonus of 5 in two turns while his opponent eats up his other two picks (MME). In this scenario, player B would have a game-deciding advantage, but player A would win due to autofinish.

So if even 100% can't be enough as a general rule, I doubt that such a setting would autofinish any interesting games because the number would need to be so high that only troll stallers (and my patented hiding strategy) would be caught by it. So I doubt that it would influence the success of tactical stalling if the number isn't set so low that it would determine a wrong winner from time to time.

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Maybe we can start with the players, that would actually know what stalling is, to not stall? The others can be told as soon as it happens. I bet that would solve some problems right?

Yeah, winning by stalling got kinda lame. Next time just ask MotD to play for you, that's what the cool boys do today.

your right.... there is something wrong with my time zones on my computer, which normally does convert to my own timezone sry.......

still i think my point still holds.....i was also thinking about stuff like that say that you only did move because you would not otherwise prevent a boot since you surrender was not accepted. you dont mention that it was a day after your teammate surrendered or that you did surrender at 2.23d, untill confronted whit it, that essentially lyeing imo.....

also "the reputed try to make him look bad and the 2d23h surrender. You should basically be able to correct the second one yourself, as you can see when which surrender happened iirc." does contradict ""The last turn happened after that discussion, don't you see that? The talk in the public chat was before I talked to Plat. Then I surrendered, and then I was forced to commit some orders to prevent a boot.

there is ofc more exsampels

Edited 10/23/2018 21:13:42

Or zbd or any other player i agree

@Njord

I comitted a lot later than I surrendered. I didn't want that turn to happen to prevent exactly this accusation.

Edited 10/23/2018 21:22:27

there is 2hours and 15 min between your move and the convo whit plat you say you surrendered after. prehaps up to 2hours is a long time out of 3 days for you.....

so i would say you lying here

Edited 10/23/2018 23:49:56

"stalling is bad etiquette"

So is harassment, condemning people without knowing the full story, and believing you are superior to strangers for no other reason than a game.

If you believe you still can call out someone in public for stalling, then you are surely a good enough person not to stirr up a shitstorm.

Pavey

Lmao, another dumb stalling forum. Made from someone who has nomercy in his clan. Defended by someone who said he didn't care that Masters cheated in CL.

Most of you guys are pretty cool, but if any of you think you have the moral high ground, please, go fuck yourself.

Why is lynx defending alex instead agreeing it was silly stalling and getting over it? Does that argument make you feel more innocent or better in any way?

I don't remember defending Alex. I don't know much or care much about this incident, but I know he's stalled in the past.

That being said, I don't care, just like you don't care about Masters cheating :)

Either you all are trolling or idiots xD Stalling for 2 hours, for 1 day, for even 1 turn... seriously? You are picking on surrendering 1 turn "too late"? Wow, hats off. You really caught him redhanded before committing another HORRIBLE crime.

"stalling is bad etiquette"

So is harassment, condemning people without knowing the full story, and believing you are superior to strangers for no other reason than a game.

If you believe you still can call out someone in public for stalling, then you are surely a good enough person not to stirr up a shitstorm.

Nobody has stated their superiority because of this game? The full story is shown by Ollie? Why not call out stalling when it happens? Not more we can do as a community, right? I'm getting sick of the ever-going argument "this community is just toxic", which you seem to infer. Has it ever occurred to you that by not stalling you gain more respect than by getting a bullshit trophy? The community isn't toxic to you if you don't act toxic towards it by corrupting the ladders.

Lmao, another dumb stalling forum. Made from someone who has nomercy in his clan. Defended by someone who said he didn't care that Masters cheated in CL.

Most of you guys are pretty cool, but if any of you think you have the moral high ground, please, go fuck yourself.

What does it matter who's in your clan? Ollie called out stalling and has JV in his clan. Is Ollie's opinion worth less because of that? Don't think so. And as far as I'm aware, nobody is claiming the moral high ground. It's just the community showing they dislike this behavior on the ladder, nothing more, nothing less.

I think it's time to cut to the chase. If you stalled, admit it and don't do it again. I know my trophies aren't worth much; i'll gladly say they weren't and i won't get them on runs or whatever again.

Because people act like it's up to the clans to do something. People like to ignore one incident and attack another. Because people in these forums talk down on people in such condescending ways, acting as if they have the moral high ground.

This does not and never will change people's minds on stalling, especially when people are so crazed to do it when it's not even for a full turn.

I never claimed moral highground I simply stated that the stalling is something we as a community need to try to prevent since it hurts the integrity of the game

Don't take it so personal please. Some of you people are uber-sensitive!

Btw, once again, this thread is not about Alex. It is rather ignorant of you guys to continue assuming such a thing. This forum is about preventing future stalling and enforcing the idea that stalling is not acceptable behavior.

Perhaps we can even figure out a solution to the stalling by coming up with good ideas, instead of shit flinging! I did not think my post was toxic, but I feel a majority of the comments on this post are toxic indeed. Please be civil and don't be condescending, or explicit, we're all adults here!

Also people are obsessed with nomercy lol, he isnt the only person in my clan who has stalled/gamed ladders. I cannot change the past, but only prepare for the future. This is a very new clan, and no stalling from Harmony members has gone on since it's creation, that I am aware of. So please stop attacking my clan and my morals because that is not what its about <.<

I have never ignored a case of stalling, and I will treat everyone equally, whether they are a member of Harmony, Lynx, Masters, Outlaws, etc. I don't play favorites and I don't try to come off in a condescending tone, I try to be as civil and intelligent as possible. It is up to the clans and their leaders because the clans are organized and hold the community together. It is up to the leaders to set a good example of sportsmanship, and tell the new ones what acceptable behavior is. It is also up to the clans and other organizations to try to find solutions to these problems, so we can prevent future "dumb stalling threads" and arguments. Denying this responsibility just means you don't care, and your lack of interest hurts the value of the game. You should care about the integrity of the game, and the sportsmanship shown by your friends on this site.

"Show me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are."

Edited 10/23/2018 22:28:39

This is why I don't partake in competitive warzone.

I love these stalling threads, watching cowboy and plat waste their time making the exact same arguments every other month is hilarious

@Cowboy

I never said I didn't care if Masters cheated on CL, quit being a manipulative lawyer getting quotes out of context out of your arse and pinning them on me. I said I don't care if either Masters/Lynx win because they're both equally bad of each other as role models for a winning clan of clan league!

Except maybe I should take it back because, at the very least, Master's have been co-operative and honest from the sounds with the cheating accusations and maintain integrity on the ladders, meanwhile Lynx members like to defend their stalling shit till the bitter end. I'm also waiting for the ethics panel to make their ruling, too bad we don't have a similar type of system on ladders to get some justice.

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Dear Ralph/JJJ,

I never harassed anybody, I simply called your bullshit don't be sad that I caught you out. You joined 1 day and left, thought you had it all figured out! I never intended on making the thread a personal attack on your character, only on your behaviour on the ladder. If you so wish, continue the sneer remarks against me, It shows you up more than me.

Edited 10/23/2018 22:48:29