Dear plat,
I know this is gonna be hard, but I wasn't taking to you. If it makes you feel better, I think you're ugly.

With love,
Cowboob

Can some one think of a time when stalling would be acceptable?

Lets say, a player has no interest in the community at large. To them this is just a game, and they take joy out of gaining accomplishments (like a gold trophy.)

Now suppose they are second place on the ladder. They have never gotten the gold trophy, and it would make them extremely happy if they did get it. If they can not lose for 1 more hour, they will get the gold. Now lets say, they are about to lose. Is it okay for them to stall for 1 hour to get the gold trophy? Why or why not?

My apologies Cowboy! <3

@The Joey , If you need to stall, you probably don't deserve the trophy in the first place. It's bad practice, so if your gonna stall to get it (assuming you are in a lost game) you are gonna get shit for it.

Yeah, don't underestimate the problem of 1-hour stallers.

@TheJoey

I would say that person is selfish, and are damaging the integrity of the ladder they are gaming, hurting the value of whatever achievement they get, and any sense of achievement they get is false because they cheated...

Ofcourse there are a lot of selfish people and that is why stalling is a persistent problem.... of course it is annoying arguing over the same subject every month! But I believe its a responsibility of mine to prevent future stalling, if possible. Of course a permanent solution would be amazing, but there seem to be few of those available.

edit: bottom line is people who stall couldn't get those achievements w/o stalling, and imo are highly undeserved. Anyone can join the ladder and NOT play games, it takes a level of EMPATHY to play through all your games win/lose, and it takes talent to win all your games.

Edited 10/23/2018 23:16:29

How do we define who deserves a trophy then? What if some one had to stall 1 minute. Does a player who is good enough to get second place, and only needs 1 more minute to get first not deserve a gold trophy? If one minute is still too long, what about 1 second? the thought experiment still is, is there ever a time where stalling is justified?

What if stalling is to the benefit of my opponent? What if I know my opponent is about to get first, but will surrender the second he knows he is going to lose. Suppose this turn I have a 50-50 chance of gaining a 'win condition' necessary for my opponent to surrender. Would it be wrong if I stalled to let my opponent get 1st?

Edited 10/23/2018 23:18:13

The idea is that stalling is wrong. The truth is it is hard to define stalling. The reality is we as a community need to prevent stalling to preserve game integrity.

What makes stalling wrong?

Edit: Why is stalling wrong?

Edited 10/23/2018 23:18:43

Why not change it so you have to finish 5 games at 1st place, or something similar to get the trophy?

Otherwise if the rules completely allow stalling, it's not the players fault, it's the games fault.

As I tried to describe, stalling is an unfair advantage and an easy way to inflate your ratings/rank. Stalling is literally stopping losses so it looks like you are only winning. But in all honesty you lost games and don't deserve the rating you have. This can rob others of ranks, and can mess up the gold trophy distribution.
If the max game count were 100, people would just raise game count by 1 and stall their losing games every time, for example, and everyone would be perfect rating until people got booted/eliminated.

It's not something that I would say is right. But one hour is impossible to prove. It's more the accusations and virtue signaling that bother me. Especially since people only care if it comes down to first or second.

And I don't believe anyone here would surrender in that situation.

Not everyone here would need to surrender in that situation, only the losers. And the losers should surrender, because they lost.

edit: imagine if the ladder was only 1 game at a timefor everyone. then this stalling thing would be 100x worse!! but it still effects a lot of players only palying 1-2 games at a time, this is very unfair. why should half of your games be stopped because someone is greedy for some gold?

edit2: for the last time this forum isnt about a "few" hours of stalling, its about the years of history and the dozens of garbage trophies given out lol

Edited 10/23/2018 23:29:38

So much buzz from few hours of stalling? Slow down the show. Who cares about these trophies anyway.

Elitist Rufus

Stalling for one turn is next to impossible to prove. Now if we're talking clear cut examples of stalling, then I'm down with it.


https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15650418

Example ^

Edited 10/24/2018 00:12:42

Blame Fizzer

I think Sora makes a very excellent point about universalizing stalling. If everyone stalled it could cripple the normal functionality of the ladder. So if everyone was stalling there would be major issues, and it would be a problem we need to fix as it would hurt the community. That is undeniable.

But that being said, I think the idea that 'all stalling is wrong' is just an a posteriori belief, and not that there is something that is innately wrong with stalling. Thus I don't stall because I think it is wrong, but instead I don't stall because I am scared of the angry mob that forms every time someone does stall.

But my thoughts are kinda with cowboy, I've been playing this game for almost 3 years. During that time my main goal has been to get good enough to get 1st on the 1v1. Not to be the best 1v1 player, just get that damn little gold trophy, that is it. In my eyes this game has a big element of luck. Thus if a player is good enough that the difference between a player getting that gold trophy, and not came down to 1 hour (not like a 1 week, and not through consistent stalling in order to manipulate the ladder). I believe that player probably would deserve that trophy, and I would be happy for them.

Honestly, if I was put in the situation, where I only had to wait 1 hour before surrendering a game to get that gold trophy, I would do it in a heart beat. I would stall that one hour, than celebrate with a bottle of champagne, because I will have been working towards that moment for 3 years. It is also my personal belief that anyone who would claim otherwise is either lying, they don't care about the ladder, or they have been an elite and accomplished player for so long, that they have forgotten how hard it is to get good at this game. This game is really hard, especially when you are having to compete against players like Platinum, Rufus, Cowboy, alexclusive, Ollie. I mean all of you guys have been elite players for so long, do you all realize how good you people are? How hard it is to try and catch up to your guy's level?

Edited 10/24/2018 00:07:36

I wouldn't consider myself elite, but thank you :D

@Cowboy

If you don't think of yourself as an Elite, try 'looking down' the ladder every now and then. ;) You are a without a doubt an A+ level player

Plat? *takes sip of milk* Elite??! *spews milk everywhere*

Haha you got me there! He's only seven years old, too young to be "elite!"

edit: (inside joke) (well i assumed everyone knew plat was regressing in age but maybe only a few of us now-a-days know)

Edited 10/24/2018 00:22:20

hm, Joey in 101st tmrw? ;)

Its very human to stall for a short time to get the trophy. I agree with this.
The thing about stalling is that the only countermeasure is to stall the staller. If you think it through than the ladder would be no fun at all anymore.

Stalling doesnt make you better at the game, it makes the system misjudge you. So blame Fizzer.

Since you like to think about it in an abstract way that describes an extreme case, what do you think is irght in case you stalling your trophy for 1 hour makes someone else, who has worked just as hard as you, not get the trophy?