Idea of one shared account and clan vs clan game looks interesting.
But how will be team games played?

Edited 7/1/2018 10:58:51

To enforce the rule about taking over accounts without relaying on only trust would be good; even members of the CL panel have broken this rule. To do this, the Warzone servers could track or log when someone logs in. If someone logged in between when a CL season starts or ends and main account is taking part in CL and the account that logged in had logged in from the same device, then it's likely that the players exchanged log in details.

the Warzone servers could track or log when someone logs in

Its a game, no need to build a security state around it.

Its a game, no need to build a security state around it.

I'm pretty positive it already gets tracked.

I guess [IM]Youmustbekidding would know best.

We have come up with a suggestion for next CL panel: me, Jz, AG, B and Reza
Everyone in that suggested panel has agreed to be on it. It would be more of a panel style approach, like the one in the past. B and Jz would be doing mostly clot work, though they would also have equal say and vote in all major decisions. The other three would do most of the groundwork for other things (rule making, dealing with rule infractions, etc) so that B and Jz have time for clot related stuff and wouldn't get overburdened. We are happy to answer to any further questions about this if something isn't covered by this initial post.

Edited 7/2/2018 17:22:54

i have some nominations of groups that I would consider way more solid than that group you suggested.

1. 90, Edge, Jz, Brenn ag.
2. Edge, Jz, Brenn,Tbest, ag
3. Edge, chris, 90, Jz, Brenn
4. Cowboy, Tbest, edge, Jz, Brenn

kezzo have all of the people in your suggested panels agreed to do it in that panel? since all the people in the group i suggested have agreed to do it in that exact panel

No Fairplay Group?

no separate committee in this suggestion, here it's integrated into panel itself

All people i wrote was suggested people that have confirmed their intresse and said yes to be part of the panel yes.

Why the hell are you guys moving to a panel system after moving to this system because you didn't like the corruption of the panel system? There have been less infractions since moving to the current system lol.

Yeah, we only had widespread clan collaboration and mass account sharing instead of a couple of players playing for two clans a season.

Go back to your uboat!

The current suggestion is:

Leader: TBest
CLOT/games: Jz, B (clot), Cowboy (games)

Fairplay council: AG, Min, Reza, (Edge), (xyz)

There are mainly discussions about the size of the fairplay council and the players involved.

The idea is to out work on more shoulders and free up the actual oganization crew from the part of fairplay, which always will involve discussions.

Edited 7/3/2018 11:25:02

what about Fairplay Woman?

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15947305 If you are a clan representative, please join! This is a venue for you to decide (and if needed, vote) on the structure that CL will have forward.

Yeah, we only had widespread clan collaboration and mass account sharing instead of a couple of players playing for two clans a season.

Go back to your uboat!

Yeah, let's not forget about the Gnuffles logging into multiple accounts to get intel to win games, the whole 101st/Lynx, GG, CPU/XCD/BIA, template voting fraud, the list goes on..

Guess what, the rule that people broke this season has been broken every season to maintain competitiveness. It aint new. Y'all are the same dramatic fools as you've always been and are trying to fix the problem by 'fixing' the managers. Guess what, there's been 4-5 different Clan League management systems, and it's failed to fix this problem. Idk how it's not obvious that the problem isn't the managers/management system by now.

Were there rules to prevent these things in past?

In Cl8-10 new rules were added and still players broke it: that is what the problem is now and with strict rules, it will reduce (?).

Edited 7/4/2018 05:20:08

I have a bunch of remarks that I should throw in Discord, but have been delivered in Clan Leader chat instead (sorry guys).
I'll summarize the gist of them here.
This is my general advice on how to solve the situation and go forward with a system that works, is manageable and reduces the risk of abuse. Do with it as you please.

1) First check with Fizzer. If he can implement anything resembling Clan League, it's always better (less drama and hours involved for the community) even though the actual experience may be less good. It would also render a lot of discussion moot.

2) Rules should be clear and objective, consequences for breaking rules should be equally clear and objective. However, whatever is decided upon, don't make it too convoluted. You shouldn't need a math genius to determine how much someone cheated. (I don't have time for this and the other 10 or so math genius on this site likely neither.)
Judgement of infractions and punishments should be transparent!
Also note that WL itself is not very strict when it comes to rules for competitive play as the way too many ladder cheating, stalling and multi-accounting of the past have shown. Take this into account and don't try to make too rigid rules that nobody can follow.

3) Deal with the past after you lay out the path for the future. The rules for the future should not be dependent on who did what in the past, but be fully intended to avoid abuse. "Everyone did it" is not an excuse to not implement a rule, but it could be a reason to look into formulating the rule better and potentially more reasonable.
There are no excuses and no "get free out of jail passes" or you start off immediately with distrust from the community because justice is not impartial. Rulings should be consequent and transparent, and in line with the new and old rules. What people did for the community does never determine guilt, but can play a mild role in how heavy the final verdict is just like in real justice though. Dicks tend to be punished more severely than hard motivated workers who help the community. That is fair as well.
Try to avoid banning though. Especially towards the future, you want to focus on just subtracting points.

4) For new organizers: names don't matter in the discussion. What matters is that things are clearly defined and (again) not too convoluted:
"Positions are A, B and C. A does this, B does this, C does this. A and B cannot be of the same clan" (something like that). Who exactly A, B and C are matters less. First create a simple straightforward structure (including all the necessary checks, see later), then search for people who can do it. (I know this is a little bit outdated advice are the names are already out there).
Like in a well working company, roles can be somewhat adapted to the personnel on board, but never defined by the personnel available.

5) People in power abusing those not in power is often seen as the worst possible direction of abuse. Like any political system (yes, this is by nature political) there should be checks on whoever is in charge. Otherwise, you will always have distrust in the organizers, and especially in any ethics committee that could be considered biased towards their own clan(s). It's vital that those in power are not above the law and that there are others who can hold them accountable as well.
Or similarly, like in a company, there should be an independent organ to check the work of the directors. So I call for an independent audit committee that is generally not involved in organizing (and definitely not in ethics) and that can check if all is done well. If really necessary, they should have the power to call for a clan leaders vote to remove someone from power. Obviously, they should all be of clans (or clanless) that have no link with the clans for the organizers.
Why is this useful and important: (a) to keep those in power/organizers accountable as well, (b) to create trust in the community, (c) to give clan leaders someone independent to talk to if they feel the organizers are treating them unfairly.
Who should be in this: in chat, TBest was offered, and sadly enough I mentioned myself (someone with my experience with more time would certainly be better). Ideally, a third person should be a long standing community member that does not participate in CL.

6) Put everything in writing, but try to keep things simple! Most people do not spend much time on CL and won't read the rules anyway. The structure on the other hand should be written down as detailed as possible with restrictions on links between people taking different roles. This is vital for the integrity of CL. Even if everyone involved now is perfectly honest and unbiased, there is no reason why someone else who joins the organizing ranks for CL17 would not do it for his own's clan gain. Checks should be in place and be put in writing also for future generations! There is absolutely no use in writing a constitution like document when you don't define the checks and balances.

7) Staying up late is unhealthy, go to bed on time kids.

Edited 7/5/2018 00:52:25