In the in-game chat, they've been discussing options for the group that votes on the rules. It could be a small panel that the community approves, or it could consist of a rep from all or most clans actively participating in clan league. These first discussions probably won't deal with specific infractions. That will come later, and it may be a different (much smaller) group that deals with specific incidents.

Here is a quick list of likely to do items for that group:
1. Determine if it is allowed to start or extend a vacation for a clanmate (this is a clarification needed for CL11).
2. Determine what kind of penalty it is for playing a turn on a clan league game for someone else.
3. Determine what the penalty is for getting and giving help to a non-teammate.
4. Consider penalties for not reporting an infraction.

There has been discussion about some of these on discord. There are several considerations that people have brought up. Did the player/clan confess? Did the player lose the game anyway (meaning that it didn't affect any results)? Was is a first offense? Was it reported the season it happened? Should the penalty be upgraded if scores from a previous season have to be adjusted? How do you deal with a case where a broken rule made a difference in who promoted/relegated/won the league? Was the rule a shade of gray when the incident happened?

These are the tasks of the rule clarification group that will be formed. Other issues could be discussed as well, but these seem to be the pressing ones.

I think start or extend a vacation for a clanmate can be allowed under condition that player in question is offline for 2 days and more.

Were there rules to prevent these things in past?

In Cl8-10 new rules were added and still players broke it: that is what the problem is now and with strict rules, it will reduce (?).

The rules have been roughly the same with small changes every season. There's never been a season where the rules were written with the intent to allow account sharing or the ability of a player to play past their tournament cap.

Edited 7/6/2018 22:53:27

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15947305

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1) CLOT:
a) Keep CLOT for this season and for the next season too.
b) Keep CLOT for this season and go for some other means next season.
c) Make it uservoice and let Fizzer include CL.

2) Structure:
a) 5 player panel taking care of all work (max, Jz, AG, B and Reza or any other similar panel ).

b) 1/2 main organizer, 2 CLOT players, 3 or 5 ethics panel (Leader: TBest
CLOT/games: Jz, B (clot), Cowboy (games)
Fairplay council: AG, Min, Reza, (Edge), (xyz))

Fairplay Council(those who've volunteered):
Aura Guardian, Star of The East, TBest, Edge, Min34, Reza, ChrisCMU, Min34, AG, 90, Benoit, Platinum


So, to choose whether 3 or 5 ( or x number of) players are to be there and choose those players.

c) 1/2 main organizer, 2 CLOT players, instead of having ethics panel-all clan leaders vote on decisions.

3) Rules:

a) Let the ethics panel come with the rules and they can be voted by all clan leaders.

b) Let all clans come up with rules and the ethics panel can choose some of them.

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Since its clear that CL 10 will continue I think the goal is to set up CL for 10 years now.

The new system should be transparent, prevent burn out, give the possibility to participate and have clear successorship.

=> Intransparency is poison.

=> Everything that prevents boots having an impact is good. Boots suck.

=> I agree with MW that since players cheat to keep/win points, punishments should be point reductions.

I am enjoying this. Thanks.

Thanks Kenny.
And, linb though it is not said , it is for 100 years ;)

Kenny is right (the rules have always been clear about sharing accounts/template limit).

But he is wrong about corruption in the panel system. Everything he listed is an infraction, and may have had controversy over the decisions made...but that is not corruption. I could see if a Lynx person was on the panel that decided Lynx/101st decision. Or if a WM person decided punishment to Gnuffone. Those things didn't happen. I don't know what happened prior to me taking over CL, but I stand by my panel. I believe they all acted ethically.

lol

man so much cheating,
like everything in life there always those who are prepared to do whatever to gain value.
Wl is a beautiful game and i think we should all try to remember that and enjoy it.
for me rules should be simple, clear and easily understood, if you do x the y happens. no matter who is the one doing x.

if some one cheats why not just deduct min 10 points from clan? that way clan wont want cheater in team.(or will they)

or maybe we need a cl panel to police the cl panel.
and maybe a cl panel to police the cl panel who police the cl panel.........i could do this forever lol

well i am sure you guys will work it out and guys will still cheat cus its human nature, hobos see this every day.

whatever you do enjoy the madness

The biggest problem is detecting cheating. How do we as other players KNOW someone logged into another account? How do we KNOW people collaborated on moves?

yeh obvs hard to prove,
then again if guys really need to be helped on what picks or moves to make by others then what does that say about them.

tbh its all abit sad. but to give it a positive spin lets say you play a game with guy X of clan Y, and guy X collaborates and you still win. you just beat the whole of clan Y by yourself, maybe this is how we should look at it.
go a diff root and make collaborating in the rules and those who do or dont can announce it so those that want help get it and the rest can play with a bit of pride knowing they dont need help and know when they are taking on a clan, so a 1v1 becomes a 1v20. (victory is all the sweeter when the odds are stacked against you.)
this may already be the case in cl maybe just let them be open about it cus it maybe impossible to police.

then we would have a splinter cl for guys who dont collaborate that will be infiltrated by collaborators that will force non collaborators to splinter from the splinter cl .....etc and so on and so on.

maybe we just have to accept human nature for all that it is.

if some one cheats why not just deduct min 10 points from clan? that way clan wont want cheater in team.(or will they)

or maybe we need a cl panel to police the cl panel.
and maybe a cl panel to police the cl panel who police the cl panel.........i could do this forever lol


The last I know, there will be an audit panel to see for bias or faults on panel. That should be enough.

3-STEP PLAN
1) We make a mega panel that runs the clan league, this will consist of 1 representative from at least 20 active clans

2) Any clan that breaks a written rule will be suspended from the league for that entire season; this makes it the clan's own responsibility to ensure that its members are not cheating/using alt accounts

3) In order to enforce these rules, we leave it up to the competition; if one clan suspects another is cheating, then that clan has the ability to accuse the latter for breaking said rules, and then it is up to the mega panel to start an investigation and decide whether or not accused clan is guilty of breaking the rules


Clan league is going to be a drama fk-fest no matter how you put it, but at least this way we have a method of making that drama more transparent so everyone is able to make better informed decisions

Edited 7/16/2018 04:42:33

8man!

Is there an official update on the process? What is happening next?

The biggest problem is detecting cheating. How do we as other players KNOW someone logged into another account? How do we KNOW people collaborated on moves?

The only way to know when players have logged into another account would be to log when each account has logged in and see if the login location is different to where the player normally logs in from. This wouldn't be definite evidence, but it's better than nothing. As for knowing then people collaborated on moved, it's impossible to tell assuming that people that collaborated on the moves didn't inform anyone that they had collaborated on moves.
Shouldn't really add rules that can't be enforced. Counting on someone's word alone isn't great.

I'm not an official, just a late responder.

1 month and a half nearly gone, I'm unsure what's going on too. Would be nice for more communication from the CL panel and to the followers/supporters.

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/311609-cl-ethics-committee-now-hiring

TBest mentioned 10 days, which is until this weekend. Next week, Clan leaders can vote and then Ethics can get to work.

Meanwhile, I believe the CLOT is already being taken care of and CL 10 seems to be ongoing just fine-ish (although all the potential fairplay issues still have to be judged).

i travel a lot so my account would be flagged in different locations