Norman, zeig einige Respekt!!

I am pretty sure you and jeff always vote no though, or at least that's the impression I get.

Same ?? Like bully, humiliation, and so on towards you ? Come on.

With "Same" I meant that i agree with AI having had enough of a shitstorm on the forums. Not me getting one.

paoching does happen in WL. Nobody, except maybe elite clans which may use it, are happy with it in WL

Hate to break it to you, but apparently you're now part of the 1%

Sorry Farah I misunderstood you :-)

Regarding your screenshot, since poaching is not forbidden and touches most clans, this shows another reason to try limit it. Maybe a poll involving all clans (not just elite) would be useful.

Why change anything if everyone, including the clan of the small guys, does it? Who is against it if even MH uses this powerful technique?

Alright, what kind of 'poaching' do you folks mean? There are 3 kinds of poaching:

1. Cooking (an egg), without its shell, in or over boiling water.

2. Illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own, or in contravention of official protection.

3. (of an animal) Trampling or cutting up (turf) with its hoofs.

MoD i think you're missing the point that the MH guys are trying to make here, i think they're trying to say that it's okay if clan of the small guys wants to recruit new players (obviously it's irrelevant whether they are already in a clan or not) but it's obviously not okay when an elitist clan lets some members of those non-elitist clans to join them

@Farah: I never thought that behind of the smiling face of that geeky math student was an ice cold killer. Let me count my losses, it's Farah 1 : Norman 0, well played so far, but it's not gg yet.

how this thread digress into this? i think we should continue the discussion of improvements of cl that coincidentally all will benefit MH

Hahahahahaha Thank you so very much Farah.

Edited 6/13/2017 17:16:57

This is a new thread to discuss poaching only, so the talk is appropriate.

I still don't understand why people think poaching is bad. Are you implying that in a given elite clan...if some of their players retire, they are not allowed to add anyone from another clan? They should just get smaller until they die, or find someone not in a clan (from my experience, most good players not in a clan will never join one)?

OR, are you saying that it is ONLY allowed if the player contacts the clan and asks to join? The problem I have with that is that the player will still be leaving the 'non-elite' clan, so how is that any better? Either someone is happy in their current clan or they are not. Asking if they are happy does not change that.

You basically want elite clans to not say anything in hopes that your players will be ignorant to other opportunities (and not realize they exist). I hope you don't have kids you raise that way.

We don't operate that way in WG btw. If people want to leave, they are welcome to. We discuss things like poaching (as many have gotten offers lately). Everyone is open and honest, and everyone has a vote in what we do. We operate in a democracy, I just break ties.

If someone is an up and coming player in a clan with a 'dictator' who doesn't want you to know you can be wherever you are happy, feel free to contact me. If you are happy, then don't.


Now MH can be mad at me too :)

I am sorry but you guys (except ChrisCMU) seem only good to take the piss and bully MH aren't you ? What is your problem with MH ?

And does MH actualy poach ?

Our last 20 recruits :

- 6/13/2017 : Ysayell1 (was clanless)
- 6/6/2017 : PanagiotisTheGreekFreak (was clanless)
- 6/4/2017 : RogueNikolaiKrogius (former MH, was clanless during his break of WL)
- 5/18/2017 : Kelevra (was clanless)
- 5/7/2017 : Krys (former MH, was clanless during his break of WL)
- 4/27/2017 : BlitzKrieg (former MH, was clanless during his break of WL)
- 4/20/2017 : Legacy (former Tranquility ; he approached the clan on his own)
- 4/1/2017 : BlackBart (former MH, was clanless during his penalty from MH council)
- 2/13/2017 : Berenbossen (was clanless)
- 12/31/2016 : Poop Sandwich (was clanless)
- 12/5/2016 : homosovieticus (was clanless)
- 11/11/2016 : Cluster (was clanless)
- 10/5/2016 : Wolfer (was clanless)
- 9/29/2016 : Kornel_PL (was clanless)
- 9/17/2016 : Maayan (was clanless)
- 9/1/2016 : DangleSauce (was clanless)
- 7/19/2016 : iliadaset (was clanless)
- 7/18/2016 : 9025201729 (was clanless)
- 5/2/2016 : hobo (was clanless)

Now, could we do the same with your clans and compare ? Let me guess, error 404 / you don't care.

So far MH has managed to progress as a clan by recruiting and developing prospects. We feel approaching members from other clans not nice. We are shocked when we hear a member of MH has been approached by another clan. And we are devastated that it may happen. Yet, so far, it hasn't happenned. It seems MH like some other clans does a good job regarding loyalty to the clan.

However, invitations sent to our best players to leave MH are growing, and we can tell MH is not alone in this situation, some other clans having less chance in keeping their best assets. Therefore, both for clans community and CL competition, and not especially for MH sake, poaching should be limited.

But, wait, let me try another guess. You are not interested. You haven't suffered any loss, you think it can never touch your clan, while you are happy to poach players of other clans. All what matters is your own clan and its interest, not others, and not morale. And because rejecting the idea is not enough, you feel necessary to mock people initiating the suggestion.

Well we can be glad history was not made like that or creativity would have never existed and we would still use rocks to make fire.

Edited 6/13/2017 17:19:41

Mike do you need more proof than what farah sent? Your list just shows you're bad at poaching, not that you're doing it

Sorry but when you guys claim to be the Angel clan the good fighting the evil godforsaken devils such as poachers when yourselves are instructed to engage in this behaviour. I can't take you seriously.

I've had players robbed off too. But again you are facing the same problem as the rest of the clans do. Just to hear the what is at this point bitching is irritating and now when people are annoyed and you guys claim to "bully MH" it really is pathetic.

"Master" clan is not even elite.

@Mike

I would quit the rage and look at this from a logical lens. Poaching is rare. It does not happen often, and when it does happen (between established clans), it gets noted. With enough time, effort, and hard work, the loss of players due to poaching can be easily overcome. M'Hunters itself proves this. Frankly, the loss of players is minimal, and only happens when a player appears ahead of their time in a clan, such as the case with pardon99 and FCC. FCC only has had two successful poaches in its recent history. (And we even got one player back!) Certainly, some of our players still get offers from other clans, but as long as they decline em, I don't see what the issue is.

Also:

Now, could we do the same with your clans and compare ? Let me guess, error 404 / you don't care.

Is a great example of two logical fallacies in one sentence.

Edited 6/13/2017 17:30:45

If any of you M'Hunters want to be poached, you know who to call ;).

I really want to visit the M'Hunters this summer!

I applaud you for keeping track of history of your recruiting that detailed, though. But 20 recruits in more than last 12 months, including former members coming back after being inactive doesn't seem to speak well of a mass clan that has 70 members, does it? CORP took in as many in 2017 alone I'm sure; though, unlike M'H, we are dirty poachers sucking in players from clans like Blitz and GG.