I've been summoned by the Assistant Justice Onoma94 to appear in the Supreme Court of Warlight.

GG hating isn't cool or acceptable "Semicedevine" , we need to be more tolerant of slower members of our community.

Poaching is when your own clan sucks so bad it can't keep its own members from leaving. People respect a good clan's quality and when you fail to meet the needs of your clan members, they flock away just as a bad business loses its customers. However, since WL is a rather small community, the act only happens rarely. But also rarely enough so that everytime a shift happens, someone is able to make a fuss about it.

"Did MASTERS just take someone from us?"
"Yeah. Apparently our clan has no integrity therefore there's no incentive for people to stay with us."
"What now? We just lost another one of our top players..."
"Ooh I know. We can make a forum thread about this and use 'poaching' as an excuse for why we keep losing people."
"Good idea! It definitely won't attack the reputation of other clans, cause drama or anything."




#drama #literalwasteoftime #plsrethinkyourlifechoices #caseclosedGGnoRE

by AG's-Mother June 12, 2017

Edited 6/12/2017 14:10:22

Same. If you had mentioned literally anybody else in the context of poaching, AI wouldn't ever have to be mentioned.

Same ?? Like bully, humiliation, and so on towards you ? Come on. Here is what I said

I agree with you about Masters, this is also the impression I have from them generally, and we all know they don't really need to approach players. But it's difficult and a bit frustrating to see their recent recruits despite their already unreachable level, and scary to think that a former MH, Farah, crossed the line (how could we blame him, but that's not the point, and even if he was not poached)

In "cross the line" there is nothing pejorative against you or to take personal or in a bad way. Please accept apologies for any confusion here. It just means that the idea of MH members may be willing to leave the clan exist, and that's what "scares" me. I also clearly stated you haven't been poached and that I didnt blame you, and couldnt (since I knew for months that joining Masters was a goal for you, so I respect that you achieved your dream).
I would never throw the rock at you, because I dont see anything to blame you for, and because I adore you as a player and person. I also dont blame Masters for letting you in or anything / anyone else as no rule has ever been broken. The whole point I was making was submitting a suggestion to CL panel that may limit poaching in WL, so clans can actually progress and try to compete for Masters trophey of CL champ. Give other clans a chance! Only CL panel, by limiting poaching, can help this cause and the general community issue of poaching.

Yes, MH is definitely the scapegoat of the whole community. You can't influence that in any way.

This is out of subject and not necessary. Unless you are happy to participate in bullying MH. You have disagreed with one decision of MH during your time with us, but that shouldnt erase the fact that you have been a happy MH member for long and for reasons, or the relationships you built with MH members, who are not responsible for CMs' decision, regardless they agree with it or not. Yet by promoting such statement on MH you also involve all MH members and I'm not sure this is what you want.
Besides, correct me if i'm wrong, AI's actions should have been punished by a ladder panel (that would be Fizzer), not by its clan ? Otherwise, not only MH should be bullied today as many other clans have had a cheater of a ladder that they didn't exclude.

Let's stop making stuff up; if you want to continue this, just PM me.

Well sure but just like you, if I feel inaccurate statements involving me or my clan are made in public, it's difficult not to try to clear those out here. For whatever it's worth.

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tl;dr, what I'm trying to say is

I (or any MH member btw), have never blamed you for leaving. We are only sad and sorry that you left, and remain grateful to have your map as a memory that a great player and person like you has ever been a MH

I, or any MH member, can only applause Masters for finally accepting to see your talent

MH does not deserve its bully for the reasons involved, and if it did, it wouldn't be fair as MH is not the only clan in this situation

Back to the subject, paoching does happen in WL. Nobody, except maybe elite clans which may use it, are happy with it in WL, but that's not necessarily CL panel concern. However, it has a pervert effect on CL : it prevents CL hierarchy to ever be modified. Only CL panel can help solve this issue.

git gud

Seems this thread took a different turn in direction, but I'm going to discuss poaching. I agree and disagree with Aura Guardian, Semice, etc. I mostly agree, but I feel like there's more to say.

Poaching is fine in the sense that players have the right to join whatever clan they choose to, and just because a player joined one clan does not mean that they have to be loyal to that clan or that the clan they're a part of has rights to that player (like a contract).

But I also find poaching to be potentially a little bit disrespectful to the clan that the player is being taken from and can hurt clan relations. How would any of you clan leaders like it if someone went up to all of your best players and tried their hardest to recruit them from your clan? Wouldn't you at least be a little bit annoyed regardless of if their attempts were successful or not?

Edited 6/12/2017 16:25:45

Back to my ROR days, I thought m'hunters was the coolest clan. Been rooting for you ever since just out of nostalgia of thinking you were the best in my early wl days. Little did I know you guys are actually the whiny baby clan.

I was rooting for you guys to do well in A. Not anymore. Stop whining about poaching, and just win. No excuses.

Anyone who wants to get poached by CORP, PM me!

But I also find poaching to be potentially a little bit disrespectful to the clan that the player is being taken from and can hurt clan relations. How would any of you clan leaders like it if someone went up to all of your best players and tried their hardest to recruit them from your clan? Wouldn't you at least be a little bit annoyed regardless of if their attempts were successful or not?

Yeah, that's my point. As for M'Hunters, we have never lost a player directly to another clan, except for one girl leaving for NWO (Edit: and some guys to Lu Free, however that was a long time ago). However pretty much all our clan league base players have been approached already by a couple of the so called elite clans. The clan culture of M'Hunters is about integrating new players into the clan and giving them a backbone to face the very best of the best. We offer way more than the so called "training clans" and we aren't elitist enough that we put the guys who still need training into a beta clan, so our elitist status doesn't get tainted. I'm pretty sure that none of the elitists defending their clan being a parasite would be happy if a leader from another clan would disolve their whole team by successfully inviting them into their own clan. Of course I read the nicely sounding argument that it's the own fault of the clans losing their players, however then everybody bleeds from time to time. It's then nice to have a doctor around instead of someone going for your organs.

Edited 6/12/2017 18:00:33

My point of view is, that you can't avoid poaching and I agree with Beren here: You do not own the players. Of cause it is annoying to lose players to other clans, but in the end I see one trend:

Clans with an active management like Outlaws grow and improve. Those clans, where the management is not that active, are risking to die like Blitz did in the recent past.


@Offtopic:

Back to my ROR days, I thought m'hunters was the coolest clan. Been rooting for you ever since just out of nostalgia of thinking you were the best in my early wl days.

Same here, applied to them but they denied. Thank you for this MH, made me join my current clan :)

We offer way more than the so called "training clans" and we aren't elitist enough that we put the guys who still need training into a beta clan, so our elitist status doesn't get tainted.

You have a different concept and that's fine, but for the other stuff you simply can't prove that you are correct. I would advice you to less rant about other clans and focus on your own stuff. So far you seem not very well informed about CL, but talk a lot.
On a different note: Personally, I would allow B-teams for big clans like MH simply to give you the option to get more practice for your "B-team", but I guess I am the minority in the community.

Edited 6/12/2017 18:31:34

So far you seem not very well informed about CL, but talk a lot.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Edit: That is for the not very well informed part.

Edited 6/12/2017 20:05:05

I don't think you can claim to represent the 99% of warlight. Especially considering 99% of warlight doesen't even care about clan league and plays this game casually.

Onoma you stealed my strat on this one

Sorry, I thought it was obvious that me representing the 99% was just some random trash talk. I mean, diplo in the clan league, that suggestion just has to be to stupid to be serious, no?

I don't understand irony from strangers on the internet. I guess the things mike said were also meant as a joke. Nice troll from the very beginning!

Edited 6/12/2017 20:52:08

tl;dr (eveything on this thread)

Mike/Norman,

Let's get the facts straight. When I was first working on poaching Farah he was under ownership of Lynx, or so ZBD told me. To be honest Farah did not want to come with but I won him in card game when I thought he was a woman. Trust me, everyone in Masters was disappointed when I came back with a tiny dutchman. At least hes a northern dutch amirite???

Anyways, ZBD went over this call during protocol when we were discussing ownership of Farah. Styxie and Twatinum moderated this exchange where ZBD started yelling about calling dibs. As you and I know there are no dibs when playing poker. In the end I became rightful owner.

This thread has opened my eyes though. Now I see that he was take from his homelands in Oz. Which is where Im assuming MH HQ are. I apologize for this and hope that you will take him back. Please.

Yours Truly,

Jeff
Supreme Leader

"Yours Truly,"

>formal letter
>warlight forums

topkek

tl;dr (eveything on this thread)
and who might you be?

I don't understand irony from strangers on the internet. I guess the things mike said were also meant as a joke. Nice troll from the very beginning!

Well, with 70 guys in a clan and with linberson kinda calling us out, chances are that someone shows up in a well-meant defence. As long as not 50 M'Hunters members are showing up, bashing linberson and Farah, I think we are doing fine.

This was the real stuff:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/6033-messing-around-optimrelite?Offset=0

Norman, if it can make you feel better i voted NO to farah and i try to kick him from the clan every time i get the chance