Steals popcorn from Quicksilver and Rikku

Dude I made a joke, plain and simple. We ain't gona vote for for a RoR full distribution and we ain't gona vote for diplo settings. And imo quite obviously I was stating that my clanmates weren't kissing "my" ass.

Edit: As for whether my job is valuable or not, the only thing I can say is that we promoted straight from the bottom to division A and for whatever reason, may it be justified or unjustiied, my clanmates respect the work I'm doing regarding the clan league.

Edited 6/11/2017 20:32:16

Lets go for Africa 3v3 so ? Instead of RoR full distribution and EU? ;)

Edited 6/11/2017 20:58:00

M'Hunters represents the 99% while you represent the 1%. You are playing WarLight in your climated office and have completely lost touch with wat the real 99% player base wants.

laughs in 99ish

I play for a clan in Div. A and work in a school that doesn't have air conditioning. I'm having an identity crisis.

yay clan drama!

Turtles started at the bottom and now they are at the top. Every clan did. Some have just stayed at or towards the top since the league didn't used to be so large....

Yea, it's not like M'H is any special in regards of climbing to the top, platinum's 101st roster was in C with M'H a few leagues ago if I recall correctly, and it moved to B, then A...

All "elite clans" weren't elite at some point

Afraid you remember wrong. M'Hunters went straight from D2 to A, and since the D divisions were introduced the season we joined the league, you can't find another clan with 3 promotions in a row. This is just as trivial as Turtle stating that other division A clans have promoted to A.

just a small history from clans that i remember are now high up and started low in the list:
Blitz: S4 group C, S5 group C, S6 group B, S7 group A, S8 group B, S9 group A
Lynx: S5 group C, S6 group B, S7 group A, S8 group A, S9 group A
Turtles: S5 group C, S6 group C, S7 group B, S8 group A, S9 group A

As you can see here this is the list of the seasons those clans started competing in Clan League (i know the lynx might have been an issue with management back then but still they started back then as the elite clan of 101st like we still know how it is.

All these clans either went to A with 1 season staying in C because of reasons or did it the same as you did just now but only 1 season faster to get into A but it's still about the same in difficulty to get into there right now.

In the S6 for group B you actually had Blitz predicted to come in 3rd or 4th even after Masters for sure and maybe VIW or so if i remember correctly but we managed to defeat masters back then which were kind of plagued by members going inactive. After that point they started going on a terror and are what they are right now, the clan to beat.

For turtles in S5 they were pretty close to blitz when it came to promoting and it was a battle with SNinja back then as well who just joined CL in that season if i remember correctly, 4 clans which are still active in the current season with 3 of them being in division A and 1 of them being in division B on 5th place which should say how competitive that group was in that season as well.

I have to add that CL S5 had also the Brazilian clan in division C and was doing pretty good as well, they managed to stay in division B for a season or so as well before they dropped out due to inactivity i believe.

Edited 6/12/2017 07:19:05

I've been summoned by the Assistant Justice Onoma94 to appear in the Supreme Court of Warlight.

GG hating isn't cool or acceptable "Semicedevine" , we need to be more tolerant of slower members of our community.

Poaching is when your own clan sucks so bad it can't keep its own members from leaving. People respect a good clan's quality and when you fail to meet the needs of your clan members, they flock away just as a bad business loses its customers. However, since WL is a rather small community, the act only happens rarely. But also rarely enough so that everytime a shift happens, someone is able to make a fuss about it.

"Did MASTERS just take someone from us?"
"Yeah. Apparently our clan has no integrity therefore there's no incentive for people to stay with us."
"What now? We just lost another one of our top players..."
"Ooh I know. We can make a forum thread about this and use 'poaching' as an excuse for why we keep losing people."
"Good idea! It definitely won't attack the reputation of other clans, cause drama or anything."




#drama #literalwasteoftime #plsrethinkyourlifechoices #caseclosedGGnoRE

by AG's-Mother June 12, 2017

Edited 6/12/2017 14:10:22

Same. If you had mentioned literally anybody else in the context of poaching, AI wouldn't ever have to be mentioned.

Same ?? Like bully, humiliation, and so on towards you ? Come on. Here is what I said

I agree with you about Masters, this is also the impression I have from them generally, and we all know they don't really need to approach players. But it's difficult and a bit frustrating to see their recent recruits despite their already unreachable level, and scary to think that a former MH, Farah, crossed the line (how could we blame him, but that's not the point, and even if he was not poached)

In "cross the line" there is nothing pejorative against you or to take personal or in a bad way. Please accept apologies for any confusion here. It just means that the idea of MH members may be willing to leave the clan exist, and that's what "scares" me. I also clearly stated you haven't been poached and that I didnt blame you, and couldnt (since I knew for months that joining Masters was a goal for you, so I respect that you achieved your dream).
I would never throw the rock at you, because I dont see anything to blame you for, and because I adore you as a player and person. I also dont blame Masters for letting you in or anything / anyone else as no rule has ever been broken. The whole point I was making was submitting a suggestion to CL panel that may limit poaching in WL, so clans can actually progress and try to compete for Masters trophey of CL champ. Give other clans a chance! Only CL panel, by limiting poaching, can help this cause and the general community issue of poaching.

Yes, MH is definitely the scapegoat of the whole community. You can't influence that in any way.

This is out of subject and not necessary. Unless you are happy to participate in bullying MH. You have disagreed with one decision of MH during your time with us, but that shouldnt erase the fact that you have been a happy MH member for long and for reasons, or the relationships you built with MH members, who are not responsible for CMs' decision, regardless they agree with it or not. Yet by promoting such statement on MH you also involve all MH members and I'm not sure this is what you want.
Besides, correct me if i'm wrong, AI's actions should have been punished by a ladder panel (that would be Fizzer), not by its clan ? Otherwise, not only MH should be bullied today as many other clans have had a cheater of a ladder that they didn't exclude.

Let's stop making stuff up; if you want to continue this, just PM me.

Well sure but just like you, if I feel inaccurate statements involving me or my clan are made in public, it's difficult not to try to clear those out here. For whatever it's worth.

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tl;dr, what I'm trying to say is

I (or any MH member btw), have never blamed you for leaving. We are only sad and sorry that you left, and remain grateful to have your map as a memory that a great player and person like you has ever been a MH

I, or any MH member, can only applause Masters for finally accepting to see your talent

MH does not deserve its bully for the reasons involved, and if it did, it wouldn't be fair as MH is not the only clan in this situation

Back to the subject, paoching does happen in WL. Nobody, except maybe elite clans which may use it, are happy with it in WL, but that's not necessarily CL panel concern. However, it has a pervert effect on CL : it prevents CL hierarchy to ever be modified. Only CL panel can help solve this issue.

git gud

Seems this thread took a different turn in direction, but I'm going to discuss poaching. I agree and disagree with Aura Guardian, Semice, etc. I mostly agree, but I feel like there's more to say.

Poaching is fine in the sense that players have the right to join whatever clan they choose to, and just because a player joined one clan does not mean that they have to be loyal to that clan or that the clan they're a part of has rights to that player (like a contract).

But I also find poaching to be potentially a little bit disrespectful to the clan that the player is being taken from and can hurt clan relations. How would any of you clan leaders like it if someone went up to all of your best players and tried their hardest to recruit them from your clan? Wouldn't you at least be a little bit annoyed regardless of if their attempts were successful or not?

Edited 6/12/2017 16:25:45

Back to my ROR days, I thought m'hunters was the coolest clan. Been rooting for you ever since just out of nostalgia of thinking you were the best in my early wl days. Little did I know you guys are actually the whiny baby clan.

I was rooting for you guys to do well in A. Not anymore. Stop whining about poaching, and just win. No excuses.

Anyone who wants to get poached by CORP, PM me!

But I also find poaching to be potentially a little bit disrespectful to the clan that the player is being taken from and can hurt clan relations. How would any of you clan leaders like it if someone went up to all of your best players and tried their hardest to recruit them from your clan? Wouldn't you at least be a little bit annoyed regardless of if their attempts were successful or not?

Yeah, that's my point. As for M'Hunters, we have never lost a player directly to another clan, except for one girl leaving for NWO (Edit: and some guys to Lu Free, however that was a long time ago). However pretty much all our clan league base players have been approached already by a couple of the so called elite clans. The clan culture of M'Hunters is about integrating new players into the clan and giving them a backbone to face the very best of the best. We offer way more than the so called "training clans" and we aren't elitist enough that we put the guys who still need training into a beta clan, so our elitist status doesn't get tainted. I'm pretty sure that none of the elitists defending their clan being a parasite would be happy if a leader from another clan would disolve their whole team by successfully inviting them into their own clan. Of course I read the nicely sounding argument that it's the own fault of the clans losing their players, however then everybody bleeds from time to time. It's then nice to have a doctor around instead of someone going for your organs.

Edited 6/12/2017 18:00:33

My point of view is, that you can't avoid poaching and I agree with Beren here: You do not own the players. Of cause it is annoying to lose players to other clans, but in the end I see one trend:

Clans with an active management like Outlaws grow and improve. Those clans, where the management is not that active, are risking to die like Blitz did in the recent past.


@Offtopic:

Back to my ROR days, I thought m'hunters was the coolest clan. Been rooting for you ever since just out of nostalgia of thinking you were the best in my early wl days.

Same here, applied to them but they denied. Thank you for this MH, made me join my current clan :)

We offer way more than the so called "training clans" and we aren't elitist enough that we put the guys who still need training into a beta clan, so our elitist status doesn't get tainted.

You have a different concept and that's fine, but for the other stuff you simply can't prove that you are correct. I would advice you to less rant about other clans and focus on your own stuff. So far you seem not very well informed about CL, but talk a lot.
On a different note: Personally, I would allow B-teams for big clans like MH simply to give you the option to get more practice for your "B-team", but I guess I am the minority in the community.

Edited 6/12/2017 18:31:34