Sure, it hurts to know that your clan that you manage sucks hard enough that you can't keep the players you have; I understand; but I got over that a long time ago...

Anyway, it's not morally wrong in any way "to poach" - it's an offering of a different (better) WL clan experience, that the player wants. Ask not what your clanmates can do for your clan, ask what your clan can do for your clan members. I wholly second Semice on this.

Poaching is when your own clan sucks so bad it can't keep its own members from leaving.

At first, I thought this thread was about how "poaching" should be handled in CL8, but now I see that it's just M'Hunters up to their usual tricks.

I would like to express support to Mike in his proposal of 1 year benching in CL. I will repeat but CL shouls support and develop clan system not destroy. In football (European), basketball transfer rules mostly protect clubs and help to support club system. CL should be clan competition and respect clans. Not help "elite" clans look for talents and attract them. There are prestigious individual competitions like ladders, MDL or AWP, where individuals compete and clans dont matter. But CL is clan competition, so some transfer rules should be respected.

Edited 6/13/2017 23:10:50

Now from this statement, because the clan doesn't want to lose his player, and even though the clan has no right on the player, it was that clan that spotted the talent, recruited him, maybe developped his skills further, and probably enhanced the player experience on WL.

that someone dont want something does not have anything to do with morals, that has to do with interests. But in the second line i get confused? if they have no right to the player why should he not just leave if he want to? at least they need some sort or moral claim to their players, otherwise it can not be immoral. that is also what you continue to talk about though, that there is some sort of clam since they

spotted the talent, recruited him, maybe developped his skills further, and probably enhanced the player experience on WL

ofc there is the obvious problem in that they could just not have helped him in any way and that it would be impossible so asses in what degree if at all it happen, and if it was then ok for a player to change clan. this is also not the normal way we see things when it comes to humans, as you view obviously would entail that for example parents would have a moral clam over there own children since they help form them(and at a much bigger degree).

Now the question is : would morale be "violated" by the predator clan, or by the player agreeing to change clan

on the basis of your strongly anti individualistic thinking here, i would say that the ones in the morally wrong here is the original clan due to its limiting of the players freedom, that is, if you put an emphasis on autonomy as a moral good ofc.

this is ofc an online game, so this is not really serious, so i agree that we prehaps should not talk morals, and good the same as your arguments supports serfdom

Edited 6/13/2017 23:30:02

But CL is clan competition, so some transfer rules should be respected.

there is already transfer rules

Thank you Nemo. Don't worry they don't bash about ideas, just on who say them.

Жұқтыру, you're just a troll, as shown by your logo, but...

You may have missed it, 4 out of MH last 8 recruits are former MH re integrated in the clan, on their own wish. Loyalty is not exactly an issue for MH.
100% out of last 20 MH recruits (and could have carried on the list further) were either clanless or applied to MH on their own. MH has a philosophy of respecting other clans by not poaching their members. But straight away CL is not a fair competition for our kind of clan.

Bottom line : mind you, some people do care about fair competition and respect between clans, before their personal interest.

Current restrictions are more than enough. CL is just a "byproduct" of existence of clans, not the other way around. We are not professional athletes and clans don't pay us for playing.. Limiting people from doing what they want to do because of certain system do nothing good. If they want to switch clans, let them do it. If somene want to go to better clan to become better, it is only logical. If someone is approached by elite clan, it is natural to feel honored. We play competitive game, and CL is the most prestigious Warlight competition, so no wonder people want to make their clan as good as possible.
The whole discussion is ridiculous. You have just bunch of guys shaming other bunchs of guys for natural behaviour they both do. But the other bunch of guys is better at it, so let's denounce them, because if they are so good, there must be something inherently bad with what they do. So I will use negative word against them and I will feel better afterwards. Come on, what's the point in this? All you can get is stupid condemnation of human nature, and you will end up with factual judging yourself. What's any productive in this?

Edited 6/13/2017 23:38:20

MH has a philosophy of respecting other clans by not poaching their members.

But Mike, now you've confused me ... I mean, Master Farah just posted a screenshot of Norman encouraging MH to poach from other clans.

But ah! I see that this was from over a year ago - oh, so you guys must have had a Moment of Revelation, you became disgusted with your own Sin, and decided to be the Good Guys!

It all makes sense now - you were the Bad Guys, just like everyone else in this Moral Cesspit, but then you saw the Light and redeemed yourself. So, now you are Morally Pure and want to help us all atone for our Sins.

Got it. You are basically Jesus. Thanks man.

Edited 6/14/2017 00:05:00

I mean, Master Farah just posted a screenshot of Norman encouraging MH to poach from other clans.

Actually those people were clanless at the time, unless the AI in that message is AI from Blitz or I don't know about Sbirulino's pre-101st past.


Anyway I agree with psykkoman. Couldn't word it better.

Edited 6/14/2017 00:18:20

I think this is where it would be smart to just concede and minimize the damage,Mike. Think Norman gets that.

MH gets a lot of bad rep, more than it perhaps deserves. This thread did little to help that. Au contraire.

Onoma - read the bottom of the screenshot and then get back to me.

Alright, sorry, it was late and I was tired xD no need to be rude

The Big Poaching Challenge!

• First step, try to poach the following players:
  
  • rakleader
    
  • ACL Tears
    
  • INSIDE
    
  • tartan1314
  I think they are both very talented players and worth a try, so good luck ;)
  
  
• Next challenge step is try to poach a player from Outlaws (or from other good managed elite clans)
  
  
• Last challenge step, try to poach MH Mike ;)

Ekstone!

Please leave ONE! and join me at Lynx!

Btw, how did you find my list of "Players to Poach"? :O

Actually, try to poach me, that's probably the toughest task in warlight.

And some ontopic words:
This topic is completely meaningless.
Come back when clans will pay to their players for playing in CL.

Ok, some clans pay already, I mean they pay with their time when they train the rookie players, and I can understand their bad feelings when one of their trained players are poached.

But the CL is not the proper place to solve this problem imo! (btw I think, the present transfer rule is neither ok, because prevent the repoaching and protect the elite clans :P (if I understood well))

Better place to solve this problem in your clan!:

• Manage your clan well and the players won't be poachable (for example create an Elite Squad for your competitive players (if you are a bigger community clan), grasp the hearts of your players, make good clan stuffs, really appreciate your talented players, etc.)
  
• Even "write" a contract with the rookie player about after you trained him/her, he/she cannot leave your clan in the next X years. I mean write this and his/her consent in a clan forum or mail topic, then if he/she break the contract you can copy those posts to the public forum. (but there are many questionmarks with this, so the first solution is better)
  
• and so on

Please leave ONE! and join me at Lynx!

I already joined to your Discord channel, and I can't do more, because ONE! is the best clan ever (and simple the ONE!)

Btw, how did you find my list of "Players to Poach"? :O

I simple was quicker than you, this is why you wasn't able to see when I found and read your list ;)

If you join us Ekstone, Lynx will give you a lucrative contract. You'll be the best paid player on Warlight.

Edited 6/15/2017 04:13:08

Yo quicksilver, after you poach Ekstone, allow me to poach you!

But you have Super in your clan :(