ah well I do appreciate Fizzer, don't think that was ever an issue.

please stay off my thread :D

lol if you want all people who support the current matchmaking to stay off this thread then how can their be a fair judgment about the current matchmaking with majority of supporters not staying in this thread. I dont think any clan has a problem with matchmaking except for yolo. And if you had a problem, then why didnt you make a forum in S1 or S2. Its clear that you want yolo to be 1st in clan wars(I too wish for Masters to be defeated), but that doesnt justify why you are creating a thread and trying to address a problem that never was. More than 100 clans play clan wars and none of them complained(Except TLA in the early seasons), so i dont see a point to change clan wars matchmaking. You guys had so many clans with you.... Lynx, Outlaws, Harmony. I am quite sure you would be supporting fizzers rating system if you were using one of these clans. But i dont think you would wantto use a clan with high rating as your chances of 1st becomes lesser due to very strong matchmaking every season.

I criticized the matchmaking on the very first day of clan wars already, and so did pretty much all the people who have a decent understanding of the matter and/or how competitive or casual events should be set up.
This is neither the first nor the last thread of this kind. I don't think you support the current matchmaking Arrow, you just don't oppose it because you lack the understanding of it to see the problems, which is fair.

To Fizzer I can only say, that your explanations and attempts to turn down the feedback isn't working out, because visibly you bully people away from your events.
People who queue 2 times a day without getting a game have a bad retention rate to the event, this isn't very hard to understand. This isn't a big problem with the people who actually point this out to you (like me), because we'll be continuing to play this game regardless, but it's a big deal for your typical casual player, who's just silently getting rid of this new app on their smartphone.

That might be true @BBJ. I dont like the matchmaking system, but till now, i dont see a problem/have no reason to oppose it and its the best way to create games tbf. The other thing that fizzer could do was make a clan wars rating per person(by winrate or whatever). He could also make clan wars like QM so that more people would participate(Many people dont play because they cant play on specific timeslots).

The only thing i really find to be an issue is the new member cap of all new clans. This gives old clans a very big advantage. I had suggested it to fizzer many times to increase clans member cap for some coins. I was also willing to pay him 2k extra coins to increase Excel member cap to unlimited at one point of time, but fizzer just didnt wantto do it.

Wont you have an advantage by this matchmaking, when your rating is below top CW clans but higher than the bottom clans?
I mean in regard that you get easier opponents for quite some time.

EDIT: I never said I have a clue.

Edited 9/16/2021 14:31:04

arrow stop talking out your ass, you cant bribe people with coins on the forum, so i doubt anyone will agree with you :D

there is no harm in criticising a broken system, and fizzer completely ignores all the comments made by the people.

he replied to the most arbitrary comments in this thread. people who invest time to play this game do have a say in what they feel about stuff.

I am quite sure you would be supporting fizzers rating system if you were using one of these clans.

Wrong - many of us voiced concern when this happened for TLA as well. Simply put, it's just not fair for lower rated clans to not get games.

Now take Yolo out of the equation. We're @ rating 25.6 now, approaching a point where we'll soon get a decent stream of games and our problem will be resolved. Implementing a fix to the matchmaking algorithm at this point would likely be too late to help us this season before we fix the problem ourselves by further raising our rating. So this isn't a Yolo discussion anymore.

But the problem still exists. We started this season at -45 rating. New clans start at 0, pretty much as bad. And if a new clan loses their first few games, guess what -> negative rating, back to the problem Yolo/TLA had (actually not sure if TLA had negative rating or just 0).

So the problem at this point still exists for new clans. Is CW meant to be friendly to new players and new clans? Well then a fix should be implemented. Beep Beep's point is well made - the people here commenting in this forum aren't the target for these recommended changes. We already play & love WZ, and we'll likely persist through most of the junky aspects b/c we love the game. It's the weaker, newer players that are trying out CW and this could strongly impact their impression of WZ. Join a clan, make time to join a CW timeslot, get no games, repeat the process. If I were a new player, I highly doubt I'd try more than 2-3 times before giving up. Already this season, me as a dedicated player, I've already been rejected from 6 timeslots, and there will probably be more. Same thing will happen to new clans. Why do this to new CW players in new clans?

The advantage of the current algorithm is that it matches players with similar ratings, which maximizes the quality of each game that is created.

The scenario this statement describes isn't complete. Balth addressed the first part, elite vs regular players - it makes a difference; elite from 1 clan vs non-elite of another clan where both are high rated clans can still be a blow out, eg: "low quality"). So even the current algorithm doesn't truly guarantee high quality games. If you really want to match players of equal strength, you need to match both Clan and Individual ratings together as best as possible within the players available in a timeslot.

But there is a second missing component to this statement - the "quality" of the games that don't get scheduled. If matching players of similar clan ratings is considered "high quality" (arguable as stated above but let's go with that premise), what's the quality of no game at all? It's the worst possible quality available, it's 0 quality, maybe even negative quality b/c a player has invested time and gotten nothing for it, just ended up wasting time.

If we're worried about "Quality", pls worry about the Quality of the whole CW experience. Rallying a clan together, getting players to join timeslots, to then get no games, this is a serious issue with Quality of Experience. And this isn't justified by saying that someone else got a higher quality game.

no need to feed the troll krinid, he just wants attention

Tbh technically the yoloswag clan kind of tried to abused the system and fizzer’s matchmaking system punished them for it. If a new clan were to show up with 0 rating, they would just get free wins on the first day and there wouldn’t be much issues afterwards cause their rating would eventually be adjusted for in the following day. New clans wouldn’t even have 40 new players but maybe around 10ish people who would want to play, so getting free wins on the first day and being able to play games after the first day would be fine. But since yoloswag was created to win clan wars, the system punished them for it by not giving them enough games for the amount of players they had. Of course the matchmaking system sucks but if you try to manipulate it, with both a negative rating as well as 40+ players then obviously this would happen.

But anyways, please add more templates Fizzer. At least you can fulfill this request? The templates we have now are pretty stale.

If only someone had foreseen this and suggested changes to the matchmaking months ago...

This forum is full of yolo fans so i never expected a support grp or anything. And secondly @Tacky, you could stfu as i am a player of this game and have the right to express myself and share my opinions. If you have a problem with that, then either leave the game or just ignore my comments.

https://shorturl.at/rCFW4
this you arrow?

people who invest time to play this game do have a say in what they feel about stuff.

Is this you @Rick

Edited 9/16/2021 15:06:55

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=28063840

this you? enjoy your ban. hopefully it'll be permanent this time.

LOL Tacky, this isn't just for the trolls' sake, kind of hoping Fizz takes note too. Not for our benefit, but for the betterment of CW as a whole.

To further exemplify the point . . . (and oddly this will unintentionally include something close to Arrow's heart, lol, but just picking the bottom rated clans)

How are these clans ever expected to get games in CW? Yes, it's their fault for losing games, sure - but it's not their fault for not getting games. In order to improve, you need games assigned. What other matchmaking system in the world punishes low rated players by not even letting them compete at all? Either you're in the competition or you're not, and if you are, you get a game.


(recapping in case the pic gets cut off for some)
#531 Special Forces -70.26
#532 Sons of Ragnarok -73.02
#533 Ruby -73.48
#534 The Fancy Dot ● -92.53
#535 Cacaoçian Empire -108.08
#536 Raging Penguins -232.07

And when did we hear the players from these clans complain in the forums? Right, we haven't ... why is that? B/c they aren't your hardcore dedicated player base that will persevere enough to inspire a change. So are you really fine with those who remain silent to continue to be punished/disadvantaged...?

Btw, also heard from JK that TLMS CW players gave up CW b/c they just never got games. This is a problem! This is an established clan that just can't get games. It's just not fun, and eventually people will give up. How is this okay? No one is asking for more free wins or easier matches, etc - just to get games assigned to be able to compete.

@Fizzer
Choose one:
-> want people to play Clan Wars
-> don't allow people to play Clan Wars

Edited 9/16/2021 16:38:38

arrow having a stupid opinion is like having a penis, you're allowed to have one but don't shove it down our throats pls

Guys, the more toxic and cluttered this thread gets, the more likely you make it that it'll get ignored. Just be clear and concise and keep the drama on Discord.