i’m sorry Ben if u don’t have too much time but It was easy for me find infos about this CL. Farah always answered me and there are some threads. We have a Discord channel where u can see all notifications too. So maybe simply u didn’t have time to check.

Edited 9/4/2020 06:50:11

One thing I don't appreciate is the sassiness.

=/

Another thing I don't appreciate is the lie. Checkmqte mailed Farah, Thedde, and myself August 29th at 19:27 EST. Farah claims to have sent me "mails urging to send in your stuff", however it was just Checkmqte mailing me one time, apparently past the deadline.

Few things here.
1) Regarding the "mails urging to send it your stuff", yup, shouldn't have used a plural form. Checkmqte sent you a mail with me in the mail thread. I think that counts as a mail urging you to send in your stuff. Calling me a liar because of this seems like a stretch.
2) Regarding lies, after we sent you that mail, you claimed to have sent in your roster and lineup already via discord by PM'ing me. Given that this conversation is the first private conversation we had on discord, you tell me who's lying.

I don't really appreciate the attitude that I have been given and the way that we are talked about by Farah on the forum.

What have I said about you on the Forums? I seriously can't think of anything I ever said on the forums that would be offensive to Hydra.

Also: Had Hydra received a 3 point penalty last season, we would be in Division D now. It's a huge penalty.

Had I followed the rules, Hydra wouldn't have played in any division.


In conclusion,
You've had several weeks to submit a roster and lineup. You are the primary contact of Hydra and chose not to keep up with the Clan League Official Thread. Then, when we mail you, you claim to have sent in all your stuff already, which isn't true. I gave you the opportunity to send it in anyways, as the rules state that you couldn't play. We decided on a three-point penalty instead of the 5 that was the standard last season.
It's not like we tell you to submit your lineup on the 30th of August. We tell you to submit it before that. You simply missed the deadline, and there are consequences for that.
You could've always just asked me about it, too. If you think something isn't communicated properly, send me a mail, a PM, as it on the forums or send a pigeon to my house for all I care. But to go on the forums, sharing PM's, telling people I'm lying? Come on.

I agree with Ben that the original post should have a timezone to avoid confusion. Farah should have updated the 1st post when new information was added. Initially I was confused about the (lack of) timezone as well, but that was cleared up within 1 minute after messaging Farah.

However, this is not a valid reason to miss the deadline. With you being a contact for your clan, you should keep an eye on updates in this forum and the forum for your own Div. The responsibility is with a clan's contact to make sure that they understand what the CL panel is communicating, and clear up any confusion they might have.

In my opinion, the CL panel has been very kind to let in multiple clans after the deadline, with a 3 point penalty (which is like 3% of the points).

To avoid such issues in the future, I recommend the CL panel keeps the first post updated, and that important updates are posted on the CL discord server as well.

PM me in the case that Hydra is about to miss another deadline, please.
so that I can PM them.

I also want a large Latte Machiato at 7:30 in the morning. I am in CET.

Happy Clan League everyone!

Thx for all the work, clan league panelitos and panelitas.

@ben:
Acknowledge clan league panel isn't your babysitter. Don't be too hard on yourself. Nobody will be mad at you.
It's just a game.

If you have class you might even apologise.

Cheers lin

I think some points are still unclear :

-1) Regarding the "mails urging to send it your stuff", yup, shouldn't have used a plural form. Checkmqte sent you a mail with me in the mail thread. I think that counts as a mail urging you to send in your stuff. Calling me a liar because of this seems like a stretch.

that email was before the deadline ?

- Yes we submitted our roster after 11:59:59 CET. It was submitted August 29th at 21:29 EST.

is it true ?

finally :

- What s the role of Clan contacts ? the contacts of any clan should have been contacted when something has been decided/modified/postponed etc... or simply they are the only that can speak with CL panel ?

Since the date was moved ahead and the Hydra contact haven't been notified, they are not to blame, depending of what are and which privileges the clan contacts have .

Since the date was moved ahead

This is a bit misleading.

The deadline was not moved ahead; it was always "before August 30th." The time zone (CET) was just made clear. It was only "ahead" of when Benjamin had assumed the deadline was ("before August 30th" in EST).

There was no change, only a clarification.

Just to make sure perspective is being kept:

If Hydra gets penalized, Hydra likely loses nothing. 3 points can be significant in some cases, but 3 points are smaller than most sources of noise in CL results (e.g., 1 player getting booted in 1 game is already going to probably cost you at least 3 points).

If Clan League backs off on the penalty, Clan League loses nothing. The worst precedent you risk is having to be extra-clear about the time zone for future deadlines. It's not like this is going to open the floodgates to ignored deadlines next season, unless you somehow manage to run into the same level of confusion again. Plus 3 points are nothing, right?

I hope people aren't getting too heated over something so petty and inconsequential. The effort you're putting into fighting this, drawing up battle lines, picking sides, and launching low-blows to stick up for your friends is probably a bigger waste than either a 3 point penalty or a confused few hours' worth of delay in lineup submissions.

Edited 9/4/2020 10:29:43

that email was before the deadline ?

Yes

- Yes we submitted our roster after 11:59:59 CET. It was submitted August 29th at 21:29 EST.

is it true ?

Yes

What s the role of Clan contacts ? the contacts of any clan should have been contacted when something has been decided/modified/postponed etc... or simply they are the only that can speak with CL panel ?

The role of the contacts is to keep up with everything Clan League related and informing their clan members.
The other role is them being the ones who can make substitutions, submit rosters and lineups, change rosters and lineups and change rosters during the midseason registration window.

Since the date was moved ahead and the Hydra contact haven't been notified, they are not to blame, depending of what are and which privileges the clan contacts have .

The date was not moved ahead, just clarified. The point reduction stays.

Benjamin628, the deadline was never pushed forward. Indeed the original post was unclear about the timezone, but the countdown link posted 2 days before the deadline made it clear. You can't blame the organizer for you not following the official league's thread, and neither can you for you waiting until the very last minute to send the line-up.

Whenever you take over

I'd like to take over.

I never said it’s not my fault, I’m just saying the communication was poor. When I checked the first post of this thread in the morning of the 29th it said due before August 30th. I was like alright I’ll do it tonight.

I maintain that there was poor communication, and that’s why I posted my complaints to the public forum.

However, this is not a valid reason to miss the deadline.

Yeah, I turned it in at 3:30 AM instead of 12:00 AM. Imo not a big difference but I don’t make the deadlines. The issue here was the ambiguity. Should be crystal clear and on the first page.

Edited 9/4/2020 12:19:41

The difference is that I have to make the divisions on the CLOT. Once the divisions are made, it's not possible to change them. That is why there is a deadline. I can't simply add a clan later on. I was going to create the divisions half an hour past the deadline. This has been livestreamed to about 25 people; ask anyone to verify. At this point, I had no roster nor lineup for Hydra, so the simple assumption was you were not playing. Because NWO had a player on their lineup who hadn't logged into the clot, I decided to finalize the divisions 12 hours later, as NWO wouldn't be able to play. I gave every clan the opportunity to send in their roster and lineup if they hadn't done so yet during that time period. It does come, however, with a penalty. I don't want to encourage people to send in their stuff to late after all.
There has been no miscommunication. You signed up as the contact for your clan. It's your responsibility to keep up with events. I'm not holding your hand through the process. You say the issue here is ambiguity, I say the issue here is a lack of responsibility from your part.

Now, no hard feelings, your penalty is only 3 points, which is less than it's supposed to be. I think we can all be happy, and I'll await an apology from your side for the accusations.

Now, no hard feelings, your penalty is only 3 points, which is less than it's supposed to be. I think we can all be happy, and I'll await an apology from your side for the accusations.

What was the penalty supposed to be? Or is that referring to the no lineup = no play rule?

The penalty last season was five points. The official penalty is not playing at all.

This is why you don't wait until the last day to submit. As organizers we like using the last day to input rosters on the sheet and clot, not holding clans hands through a process that they've done several times before.

Why are we not ok with just blaming Farah? What has the world become?

The world's gone mad, I tell thee!

Turtles would like to join CL12, we have jefferspin as first contact and farah as second. We expect to play in Div A. Thanks!

Edited 9/4/2020 15:16:32

Working with a CLOT is different, as you can't input extra clans after running the program, you'd have to start all over. Deadlines are there for a reason, and all three clans that were added with roster late are lucky to be playing at all. Believe me, I get the confusion Benjamin, but there were weeks to do it. Everyone tends to postpone to the last minute, that isn't just you, but it does take away from your flexibility in case you misunderstand, your internet lags out, or one of a hundred other things goes wrong.

You're down 3 points, that you'll have to accept and it honestly is a fairly small margin, it may matter, but it likely won't, and with no consequences there's also no incentive to actually do it on time next CL.

that email was before the deadline ?

Yes

- Yes we submitted our roster after 11:59:59 CET. It was submitted August 29th at 21:29 EST.

is it true ?

Yes

What s the role of Clan contacts ? the contacts of any clan should have been contacted when something has been decided/modified/postponed etc... or simply they are the only that can speak with CL panel ?

The role of the contacts is to keep up with everything Clan League related and informing their clan members.
The other role is them being the ones who can make substitutions, submit rosters and lineups, change rosters and lineups and change rosters during the mid-season registration window.


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since the clan contacts have to keep up with CL stuff and not have to be informed of CL stuff, I fear Farah point is defendable.

@Farah

As the new CL leadership how would you handle 101st promoting to A?