Hey guys,

I reckon to be too late... Sorry, I was ill the last days and yesterday was here a hell of a day because of getting tested for C19...

1. Malteus [GER]
2. Wanja91
3. Hightower
4. Superflo
5. Totem
6. keohane
7. Totodem
8. apoptose
9. mfsi
10. NoEx
11. Janine
12. PhilM
13. Optimized
14. Stipe

@Malteus: don't forget to also send Farah a lineup, in case you haven't already

I hope you're feeling better soon and don't have COVID.

The following clans submitted their roster and lineup after the deadline, after some nagging by the Clan League Panel:
- Hydra
- Celtica
- USSR

They will receive a 3 point reduction for being too late, but they can still participate in CL.

@Malteus: this is not a lineup. Please check the first post of this thread and mail me a roster and lineup.

we posted a lineup days ago and i didnt know you live in europe. i sent the lineup and roster before august 30th

You posted a provisional lineup and not a roster. We need those profile links from your roster, as people can change their names, but not their profile links. You don't need to know I live in Europe; there was a clear deadline on this thread. Your actual roster and lineup came after this deadline, unfortunately.

Isn t 3 points too much ?

1 was enought for a 48h delay. Imho

A clan gets 120 points on average. Taking away 3 points is taking away like 2.5%.

Keep in mind that we've made the deadline rather clear and that clans have been mailed about the upcoming deadline if they hadn't submitted a roster or lineup yet.

I would've done 5, so consider yourself lucky

What a ruthless guy!

Clan League will start in 24 hours!

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=september+1+noon+cest

Amazing!!!

So, as I am very smart, I started the wrong tournament by accident. I immediately stopped the CLOT, but the games got created instantly. So, as by my mistake, we're now playing India 3v3 first and DRoR 3v3 second. Have fun :p

When will you resign?

Whenever you take over

Cowboy is sorely missed...nah

Question is, can Farah be better? *suspenseful music*

I had this conversation with Farah and did not feel satisfied with the response I received.

Yes we submitted our roster after 11:59:59 CET. It was submitted August 29th at 21:29 EST. I have had a tumultuous start to college experience, with several power outages, Zoom crashes, etc. I am a busy person lately. Here is the information about deadlines that was given by Farah:

August 7th:
Submit your lineup by mailing me. All lineups must be sent in before August 30th. Keep in mind that a player can only occupy a maximum of three slots and they can't be on one template multiple times.

August 27th: (2 days before the deadline):
Deadline for Signups, Rosters and Lineups:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=august+29+23%3A59%3A59+CET

I challenge anyone reading this to go find that post. I had no idea that the deadline was moved ahead 6 hours for me. Why would I look on the third page of this forum thread for crucial information about the deadline? Why wasn't that information edited into the original post?

Here is the conversation I had with Farah about the topic:

https://imgur.com/a/OfXts2B

One thing I don't appreciate is the sassiness. Another thing I don't appreciate is the lie. Checkmqte mailed Farah, Thedde, and myself August 29th at 19:27 EST. Farah claims to have sent me "mails urging to send in your stuff", however it was just Checkmqte mailing me one time, apparently past the deadline.

In conclusion, I don't really appreciate the attitude that I have been given and the way that we are talked about by Farah on the forum. I don't think it's a very good idea to make the roster and lineup deadline 2 days before the first game begins. I love Clan League and I really appreciate Checkmqte and Farah for running it, but I do not think any point deduction is fair due to the poor communication that occurred on the forum.

Also: Had Hydra received a 3 point penalty last season, we would be in Division D now. It's a huge penalty.

Edited 9/4/2020 00:17:38

I understand you're not happy about the point penalty but Hydra is the party at fault here.
You had a deadline and you didn't respect it.

You say it is because of poor communication but all the relevant instructions were written on this thread.
So it's not on Farah or the CL Panel if you missed those instructions, they did their job.

You might think the penalty is harsh but the actual rule on the spreadsheet is:

If we do not receive a full roster on time, the clan is removed from the league and the next clan is bumped up.

So Farah is right, he actually did you a favor here.

You say it is because of poor communication but all the relevant instructions were written on this thread.

He bumped the deadline forward 6 hours (from what I thought it was based off of OP) 2 days before the deadline in the depths of this thread. Come on now. That's horrible communication. Things should be crystal clear (like refreshing or elaborating on your original post) if you're going to make the deadline that close to the start of games.

Edited 9/4/2020 02:06:08

And yet, all the other div A/B/C clans read those instructions and submitted their roster and lineup in time.

Chiming in to hopefully de-escalate this a bit: Both parties (Hydra and CL) seem reasonable here but it seems like the actual issue at dispute was not well communicated so far.

From Ben's perspective, the first page said lineups were due before August 30th (timezone unclear). Ben clearly read the instructions on the first page in detail and submitted the lineups before August 30th in Ben's timezone (EST), which is also probably the most common time zone in Warzone. On top of Hydra, multiple other clans were caught by surprise by the deadline- Celtica and USSR and also my own clan and perhaps others that didn't make the cut.

Meanwhile, Farah answered questions and provided regular updates on which clans still needed to submit their rosters and lineups, put in the effort to notify them, and as a courtesy even threw in that Wolfram Alpha countdown link. Any clan that was paying attention to this thread shouldn't have had too much trouble picking up on the time zone; on top of that, Farah's super-accessible and easy-to-reach so clan points of contact could've just asked Farah what the time zone is and gotten a quick response (likely even when Farah was busy with IRL stuff).

Neither party seems like the bad guy here. It seems like there was some miscommunication about exactly what the issue was with Hydra getting the penalty (looking at the prior chat logs shared by Ben). Hydra's complaint seems to be that the time zone clarification was too easy to miss unless a clan really and regularly paid attention to this thread, and that's maybe a lot to ask because people have a lot going on right now.

I think it's up to Farah now to decide whether:

1) There's an expectation for clans to keep on top of updates and official announcements (e.g., on places like this thread) or to clarify points of confusion (like the time zone) instead of making assumptions. Or, as Ben says, whether instead major things- like the time zone for a deadline- should be published well ahead of time and highly visible on the top post, because clan points of contact might be busy with life and not able to notice things like the WolframAlpha countdown in time.

2) The penalty makes sense given the confusion apparently surrounding the deadline or whether it would make sense to instead forgive it as a learn-and-make-things-clear-next-time type of deal.

Ben has clearly communicated his situation above and can make the best case for his desired outcomes in the decisions above. In my experience, Farah is a really good listener when the topic of dispute is clear (especially if you're angry about something) and I believe this can be resolved via another conversation in chat between Ben (and perhaps representatives of USSR/Celtica if they also agree with Ben) and Farah (or some other CL representative).

Beyond this, I don't think pointing fingers on this thread (or shit-talking Farah/CL or Ben/Hydra here and elsewhere) is going to be productive at resolving the dispute.

Edited 9/4/2020 03:33:33