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Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 18:39:14


Mythos1618
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Requested change:
Make Vacations unbreakable.

Synopsis:
The old Vacation system was based on you not having direct access to your pc, with the mobile app becoming more popular, it's become far easier to access Warzone in the middle of your Vacation, and accidentally commiting.

Example:
take me as an example, I am currently on Vacation and don't have time to take my turns within the time limit, but I don't want my games to stall for over 10 days and have tried my best to not get booted, which has hurt my performance in games because i often only have minutes left on my clock while not having the time to play.

Reason:
I want Vacations to be used to take turns in a slower but manageable way, without having to worry about being booted or stalling the game for over 10 days.

Let the Community vote on this and have Fizzer change the way Vacations Work!

Poll:
14 👍.
2 👎.

Edited 6/24/2020 21:57:31
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 18:41:31


Mythos1618
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+1 vote for this Change!

Edited 6/23/2020 19:23:29
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 18:42:45


Sick 
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+1👍

Edited 6/23/2020 19:17:16
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 19:15:47


krinid 
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+1

Vacation system as it is now is pretty useless tbh.

Few games support it b/c most hosts just opt out of it in the settings. And if you make a move in any, it cancels the vacation.

So even if you're playing some that do, you have to get booted or surrender in the one's that don't, and not play in the ones that do.

Not even sure why making 1 move cancels vacation. If I find time to move in a few of my games while on vacation, this is a good thing, right? Why punish someone for making moves when they have a little time but not a lot of time?

Some games take longer than others and you don't know which way it will go. Some games are blowouts, some people surrender early, some are close fights and people fight to the end. Some games go on for months, and vacations can't always be planned around what games you think you'll be playing in 6 months -- nor should a player have to plan that far ahead. The vacation system should be useful and flexible enough to account for this (that's the whole point of a vacation system tbh).

That said ... there is a 'feature request' site, so this belongs there not here.
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 19:17:57


AI 
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Yes... I wanted this for a long time. The current vacation system is not great really.
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 19:18:39


TrapdoorSpiderTurret 
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+1👍
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 19:19:43


Mythos1618
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I just wanted to get it out there, but i will post it on the "feature request" site also.

Edited 6/23/2020 19:20:56
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 19:19:54


krinid 
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Let's do a different survey ... who has effectively used the vacation system?

I haven't. I needed to a few times, but when I looked at my games, I saw I had a 70/30 blend of games that ignore vacations and that honour them. So had to surrender a bunch of games and make time for the ones I care about.

Not a useful system.

Has anyone had success with it?
- downvoted post by the Dütches Reich
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 19:20:29


JK_3 
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+1

EDIT:
Let's do a different survey ... who has effectively used the vacation system?

I haven't. I needed to a few times, but when I looked at my games, I saw I had a 70/30 blend of games that ignore vacations and that honour them. So had to surrender a bunch of games and make time for the ones I care about.

Not a useful system.

Has anyone had success with it?
Tried 3 times, but never actually did....
Most games needed to continue since they didn't respect vacations, and stopping with joining tournaments 3 months in advance is not a option at all

Edited 6/23/2020 19:22:23
- downvoted post by the Dütches Reich
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 19:25:54


Torsten
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+1
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 19:38:56


DarkKing121
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+1
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 19:45:30


Rick Sanchez
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+1
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 20:50:42


Farah♦ 
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-1, making vacations unbreakable is absolutely bad. I agree the vacation system could be better; for example, have a set number of days you can take vacation for per year. Not a set amount of vacations you can take for 1-10 days.
Let's say vacations become unbreakable. When I set a vacation, it'll always be for 10 days, as I might be able to get back to playing a day or two later than I intend to. Better safe than sorry. Now, when I am back in time, I can't play for the remainder of the 10 days I set, stalling the game for other people instead of making sure all those games continue. Idea with good intention, bad consequence :)
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 20:57:00


krinid 
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Farah - I think you're confused. You -1'd it but then your explanation was actually a +1 ... you're saying the vacation system is poor and needs improvement. That's what we're saying = +1.

I'm not saying I want 10 iterations of 10 days of vacation per year - that's a 100 days, and that's ridiculous. That's not playing the game.

I would be totally happy with 14-20 days a year when I am entitled to opt out of making moves in games without timing out. If I do play, fine, no penalty (don't auto-cancel vacation).

ie: Like every other gaming site that exists today.
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 21:39:02


OvertForeigner
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+1
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 22:07:03


Mythos1618
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Reply to Farah

You misunderstood me.
My intention was that you could still play while your vacation is active, but commiting would not break your vacation.

you would be able to make a turn during your vacation to prevent stalling.

Edited 6/23/2020 22:18:54
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 23:02:33


Farah♦ 
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Ah, I see. I misunderstood in that case. Unfortunately, being able to commit while on vacation without breaking it brings another problem. And that problem is ladder stalling. If I'm doing a ladder run and need to stall three games while completing two others, you've now made that extremely easy for me. It was of course already easy, but this only gives the means to stall games in certain competitions. You could of course make an exception for ladder games, but that rips apart the whole idea of vacations.
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 23:39:13


Mythos1618
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I don't play ladder games, but is ladder stalling really that big of an issue?
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 23:40:15


Farah♦ 
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I'm not touching that question with a ten-foot pole :p
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/23/2020 23:46:27


Mythos1618
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Well okay, then.

But my proposal is more oriented towards tournaments and open games, so maybe make it so you can't make a turn in ladder games?
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/24/2020 00:01:43


Phobos 
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Possibly controversial take, the problem isn't vacations, it's the vacations not honored setting.

If you're taking turns during a vacation you're abusing a feature that is designed for people to take a break from the game.

Vacations not honored makes it difficult to take a true break from the game unless: a) you have all such games/tournaments finished, or b) you don't care about surrendering those games.

Vacation feature would be a lot better with number of days instead of number of vacations. IMO ladder stalling is a niche problem that doesn't arrive that often, but if you enable a feature that is basically custom designed to help it that could change.
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/24/2020 00:12:55


Mythos1618
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No, the problem is not the "vacations not honored" setting.

It's the fact you can't take a vacation in your other games, while still playing in those games.
Your only options is surrendering or getting booted.

Edited 6/24/2020 00:43:50
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/24/2020 00:23:57


Farah♦ 
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I fail to see the problem.

You want to put on vacation mode, so you don't want to commit turns in your games. But apparently, there are some games that you do want to take your turn in and you don't want to surrender those. Given that you do not care about surrendering your other games, why take a vacation at all instead of surrendering those games you didn't care about in the first place?
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/24/2020 00:39:47


Mythos1618
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The problem is I can't keep up with all my games when I am to busy to play, so I want an extended boot timer for when I am to busy to play consistently.

Edited 6/24/2020 03:36:05
- downvoted post by Ottoman Empire
- downvoted post by Ottoman Empire
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/24/2020 03:16:33


krinid 
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For me the problems (plural) are:

(A) not honouring the vac settings
REASON: Excepting certain cases where maybe it's required like certain tournaments, ladders, etc. I have heard a fair bit about "ladder stalling", so maybe they need a preventative mechanism there, but do it in a way that doesn't break vac for the entire game. Or change the way ladders work so stalling isn't beneficial. That's the real problem, and it gets taken out on functionality like this. If the problem is engaging vacation and playing SOME ladder games but not other ladders game - fine, cancel the vac for ladder games if that happens. Maybe vac doesn't make sense for ladder games anyhow b/c they're all in a season anyhow. I'm talking about normal games here. Maybe vac doesn't apply to tournaments either - not sure on that one. They don't have a "season" like ladders, so maybe it's not as important.

(B) canceling the vac if I make a move
REASON: I don't have time to make moves in all my games, but maybe I have time to make a handful of moves. Let's say I have 70 games (I do) and it takes 4+ weeks to "spin down" to a lower quantity because many go on for at least that long, quite often longer for the big maps, high # of players. And sometimes it's not actual vacation I'm going on, I just have a few really busy days or a really busy week, and would rather not time out in all 70 games. But I still might be able to make 1-2 moves that week. I don't get the "all or nothing", play all your games or play none of them philosophy outside of the ladder stalling discussion.
Petition to change Vacations!: 6/24/2020 03:18:07


krinid 
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Mythos - If you can't keep up with the boot timers on a regular basis, you're playing too many games, or you're playing games with too short a timer for your needs. Play less, or join ones (or create ones) with high timers.

If it's just in busy times, then yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting vacations should be applicable to.
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