Can someone confirm if auto-commit works on multiday games?

What I just did a few days ago was entering orders in all my games, then committing all games at the same time.

You shouldn't have to work around the limitations of a poorly implemented system like that. It's ridiculous to force someone to do that.

For one, you have to arrange to do that in a time when you just specifically called out that you are busy (else you wouldn't have engaged vacation).

Then, let's say something comes up after you do the first 2 games ... oops, wasn't a good time to do it after all. Life happens that way. So ... we're back to getting booted again.

And then there's the case where you're in either (A) so many games, or (B) some complicated/large map/LD games that simply take a lot of time for a single move each (b/c map is big, game is complex, need thinking time, etc), or (C) both, where 1 hour just isn't enough to move in all your games. Then what?

+1 from me - playing moves in games that don't honor vacation should not end your vacation.

I've never declared a vacation, because I always bring my phone on vacation obviously, but I certainly would if the system was better.

I think on the mobile app/desktop there should be a "V" in the top left corner if the game honors vacations when you're on vacation, which would mean you don't need to take turns. But in games where you do need to take turns, there should be a V with a circle around it and line going through it, signaling that you must play this game.

Ben's suggestion of having it be that commits in vacation not honored games doesn't break vacations would be a modest improvement, and much better than just making vacations unbreakable. This would negate using vacations for ladder stalling since the ladders honor vacations.

1 day lee way would also be a lot better than 1 hour.

Edited 6/24/2020 23:05:18

I've never went on vacation but would like to. I don't think I could stay away.

IMO I think you should still be able to play games even if you're on vacation without penalty. I don't know how it works when you come back and you play a game. Do all the others force you to play them in a span of 5 minutes or for every game you get so many minutes of extra boot time?

I also have a mix of games and would lose some which is a problem. All the games I create I allow vacations but it does need a fix. At the end of the year players with leftover vacations should get coins for them.

@Mister Glass

Ben's suggestion of having it be that commits in vacation not honored games doesn't break vacations would be a modest improvement, and much better than just making vacations unbreakable. This would negate using vacations for ladder stalling since the ladders honor vacations.

1 day lee way would also be a lot better than 1 hour.

Agree 1 day is better than 1 hour ... but still not enough. I think just excluding ladders from vacations entirely, and eliminating the auto-cancel of vacations when making moves works even better.

The only concerns people seem to have about vacations is for stalling in ladders. So just treat ladders separately - no vacations. And treat it like the RT QM, once you get booted, it kicks you out of the ladder so you don't continue getting booted in all your games.

If stalling in ladders is the only concern people have for vacations ... deal with it separately. B/c all other games need a fix for the poorly built vacation system.

Edited 6/26/2020 12:44:20

Actually, according to the wiki you have to leave all ladders before turning on vacation.
So ladder stalling using vacations has never been a problem.

Oh didn't know that. So what's everyone on about then? Are mentally holding the broken vacation system hostage against a problem that doesn't exist?

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@Mythos you leave the ladder but the games you're in honor vacations (as it should be I might add).

Say you have 5 open games, 2 of which you're losing. You leave ladder. You activate vacation. You only play turns in the 3 games you're winning. After those games end you finish vacation. Play 1 turn in the games you're losing. Rejoin ladder with a higher rating. Get 3 new games. Rinse repeat.

You can stall your losing games until your opponents eliminate you. This has always been the case, but previously you could only stall each turn 3 days instead of 13.

Well, that makes sense.

@Glass, this is the same concern again - ladder stalling. If the concern is just for ladder stalling, then make vacation not apply to ladder games.

Everyone keeps saying that vacations can't be improved for ladder stalling.

FIX THE LADDER STALLING PROBLEM. Ladder stalling is the problem. Fix that. Botching the vac system doesn't fix ladder stalling, as people tell me it's still a problem, just vac makes it worse. So make ladders out of scope, ever for ongoing games.

You're missing the point.

Ladders should honor vacations. That's because vacations are to take a break from the game, not to manage a high game count. Could the system be improved? Yes. Is making it so that vacations have no drawbacks an improvement? No.

I'm not missing the point, I just disagree with you.

The vacation system sucks, and it needs improvement. If it means excluding ladders from vacation applicability altogether (or perhaps just making ladder games resume when a move is made in a game while normal games remaining on hold), I think that's a huge improvement over what we have today.

If when you finish a game has an effect on your ranking in a ladder, then it seems to me that the ladders themselves are the problem. You should change it to be more like a tournament, where you don't get a ranking until you finish all the games in the tournament.

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Totally agree. Ladders seem to be the problem, so fix the problem with the ladders.