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Edited 10/10/2019 14:45:37

If there was truly enough thought put into this than why would the panel justify having team games at 10 and 1v1s at 15?

I'm not voicing the panel's opinion, just my own. I think 15 days for team games is best.

You're even agreeing with me to a certain extent, so could you please fix it? Please put it as 20.

No

If you ask the players that actually play Clan League, where this should be a choice instead of a panel of 6 players not playing in A making it, I put a very high bet they'll pick a faster schedule then this.

Again, this is a nonsense argument. I have played in A for two seasons, scorekept another season. I know enough about division A to be able to form an opinion or inform others. As for "the players actually playing in Clan League", you're not even in a clan.

We voted for an ethics panel where its impacts on the league isn't high, while this decision actually does affect a lot and it's being made entirely out of our hands.

Wasn't pragmatic back then, was it?

We're not voting for an ethics panel at the moment and the ethics panel has nothing to do with the way vacations are handled.

At the most minimum, you need to up this to 20 days, or else your risking high boots and also people simply sharing accounts to avoid the boot chains. I don't think we've had any drama with sharing accounts last season but in this way, we'll have a lot more cases this season if 10 days remain.

We didn't have any drama with it since there is a panel that actually punishes people when they share accounts. That panel still remains.

so, has there been a final decision on whether or not vacations are honored?

The final decision was made before this thread was created. Vacations will not be honored. However, the panel is talking about extending the amount of banked time for team games to 15 days. I think that decision will be announced soon.

I think maybe 4 day boot and 20 banked days is fine I guess

The more you extend the regular turn time and boot time, the longer everything will last.

#WisdomByBonsai

As far as my understanding, this decision was passed by a "Clan League Panel" of 6 players:

Farah, Meldarion, Checkmate, Otterycat, Cowboy. -b

None of which that played last season in A, which has resulted in this "problem". If the problem is being caused by Division A players, surely you would consult with them in the business part of the decision-making process.

It is because I haven't played in A at any point that I left this decision mostly to the others; I thought limiting the amount of vacation days used would be better, but ofcourse this is harder to control, and would require sanctions be invoked for next seasons rather than this one, not necessarily helping; and I was the only one on the panel that voiced that opinion, thus I let it go.

That said, the amount of banked time can be used ANY game. The Clan Cup as MW has been hosting it functions on far less than the 3/4 days + 15 days banked, if we up that to 20 days people will get in more trouble, as games will keep piling on. We all have difficult turns, turns that we don't feel like taking because we're unsure of our orders, or because we are afraid the turn will cost us the game. If you give people 20 days, the time will be spent on turns like those, rather than on the turns where it is necessary, games will last longer and overall will pile up more, as games are created on a schedule and will keep coming.

Now I understand to some this may be an issue, but unless you actually leave for a period of more than 18/19 days (because that is what we're looking at at the moment, 15 days banked + 3/4 days standard) during a clan league, this should work for everyone. And if you actually do leave for 18 days in total, you can either decide to skip this clan league, which isn't as damaging as it was, as the clan league will finish earlier, or you can ask your opponent to help you out, using both of your banked times to bridge the small gap left. Ofcourse they may choose not to, but almost anyone would rather have a fair win than a lame one which is caused by a boot.

Not everyone will agree, with any plan we come up with. But the current proposal is something worth trying out, and so we will.

This is by the way our official decision for the moment. We will start games with 15 days banked, and if we feel it's getting abused for no reason we may decrease it back to 10 midseason. Be aware of this.

Statisticians will join (even though we still don't know in which division due to other clans stalling - which should be sufficient reason to have some measure to speed up Clan League).

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Hey Clan League panel,
I just took the time to read through the current set of rules. I have found some rules that are in my opinion no well defined. And only will lead to questions and drama while CL is ongoing. For the sake of saving your's and other's time I recommand to clear them up before Clan League 12 starts and adapt rules in the sheet so everyone knows what is meant. At least as far as possible.

I have made one personal expirience in Clan League 11. Before it started I asked in Division Q2 Thread if a sub between submission deadline of the lineup and the start of the tournament uses up 1 of the allowed subs or if it is a free sub. In Q2 it was told to me that it uses up 1 sub by the clan league organizer. I relied on that this will be the final decision and didnt insist that it is added the bill of rules. Some days later the same topic was discussed in Division A and there it was determined that it does not count as sub.... Well... I had my lessons learned. So please check my following comments. And add phrases where it is necessary. Thanks!



1)

Alt Accounts
Due to the vacations rule, alt accounts will be allowed to accommodate those who need to vacation on their main account.

Please give an example how an alt account can be used.
Is it meant like the following scenario?
If you for example play 2 slots, but only have time to play 1 slot at once. Are you then able to play 1 slot with your main and 1 slot with your alt. Then you set a vacation on your main. With this vacation you dont have to join this game within 3 days, but within 20 days. So you have 20 days time to play 1 slot with your alt account before starting the 2nd slot with your main?
Else I dont get the function of this rule. Please provide an example.
Does this alt also have to meet the level requirements for game creation?
Does this alt has to be on the clan's roster and uses up 1 of the 25 slots?
Does it use up 1 substitution when I sub in an alt for the main?



2)

Criteria for Claiming a Clan Spot
If a player goes AWOL (or is suspended from CL), he doesn't count toward meeting the 1/3 of players requirement. None of the points he won count either. If this player was on a team, the points will be pro-rated.

When does a player counts to be AWOL? last seen 100d? 30d? 10d? 5d? 0 pts in last 30d? Please define.



3)

Clan movement/ representation
If a player played for Clan X in CL 9 and moved to clan Y in CL 10, then they can not represent Clan X in CL 11. This rule is meant to stop free movement of players and restrict the advantages gained via allied clans (For ex - FakeNamePlayer for Masters/Apex, Lynx/101st, Masters/Apprentice, GG/GGr etc).
Note : This rule was tweaked from CL 10 rules. The extra waiting time was reduced from 2 to 1 CL.

Please explain the initial example of this rule to the end. It is only said that the players cant represent Clan X in CL11. Please add when this player is allowed to play for Clan X again. In CL12?
The additional note "The extra waiting time was reduced from 2 to 1 CL." loses me completely. The waiting time was reduced to 1 CL. Means the initial example is wrong? In CL9 the player plays for Clan X. In CL10 he plays for Clan Y and plays there for 1 CL. Means for me he can play for Clan X again in CL12.



4)

Stalling
Excessive stalling (extending a game beyond a reasonable limit) will be handled by the ethics panel. Two offenses are a warning and the third offense is a 1 slot ban.

What is meant with an offense? If my opponent tells me 3times to play faster, then I get a 1 slot ban?
What is a 1 slot ban? Am I then allowed to play only 2 slots in the ongoing Clan League season instead of 3. Or am I allowed to only play 2 slots in the next Clan League Season?



5)

Mideason Registration
You may add as many new accounts as you like up to the roster limit.

Can I put players into the roster due to midseason registration that has not been part of the clan to the submission deadline of the first roster?



6)

Substitution
Every clan can replace 12 slots(out of 18) over the course of the season. If player represents 3 slots, they can be partially replaced and continue to play some of the slots as well(i.e, substiuted in some,but not necesserily all of their slots). If a clan has used up 6 substitutions over the season, it cannot make any further ones regardless of the circumstances.

In the case I sub player A for player B, because player A has any temporary private issue. Am I allowed to sub player B for player A again, when he comes back? For exampl: Game 1, 2, 5 and 6 are played by player A and 3 and 4 are played by player B.
If so:
Does it it count for 1 sub or does it count for 2 subs?
Does it count for 1 used slot of player A or 2 slots for player A?



7)

My personal expirience of Clan League 11

As well please add the rule that defines that it does not count as sub if a player is subbed after lineup submission deadline but before first games are created.



If you have any questions to my comments. Feel free to ask me here or via PM or how ever you want to reach out to me

Edited 10/19/2019 18:16:46

Regarding the alt accounts rule, you may still only play with one account. It would be processed the same way as any normal account would.
- 3 slots
- Must meet level requirement for template (Required for usage on any clot)
- Must use that account to log on the clot with.
- 3 slot maximum
- Counts to a roster spot.

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The midseason registration requires that only a player isn't currently playing CL for another clan. For instance you couldn't play with one clan for one half and one for the other, regardless of the amount of slots

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Lineup changes after lineups have been announced will count as substitutions and to the players total slots. This is too prevent people from using the knowledge of other clan's lineups to gain an advantage by creating particular matchups.

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Regarding the players coming back to play on slots, they can only do so if they still have a slot remaining, and it will count to substitutions. This is how the rule has always been, and as no thought has been put into this previously, this will apply as previously until further notice.

Edited 10/21/2019 16:41:54

Regarding clans claiming slots, those are rules that were created as a result of the Outlaws/101st decision.

I will have to look further into the matter, as I don't know how "inactive" the players that were not counted in the algorithm that determined this.

When is CL12 starting anyways?

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can i then have 2 accounts and play 6 slots with each?
or is it meant as 3 slots per player but i can play 2 with my alt and 1 with my main for example. But why you should do it then.. hm..

what means stalling though? you have 15d banked all clanleague games will be lost in the depth of your game list until the bank time shrunk to 3d. i dunno, but might be that many will play very slow in the beginning. from whom 'stalling' players get offenses?

"you may still only play with one account"

You just now have the option to use an alternate account instead of your main, as long as it is disclosed who that person is.

By stalling I do not mean slow play, I mean taking a take beyond the reasonable doubt of being finished.

Example : https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17850961

Cases can be reported to the ethics panel, where they can decide whether the players involved deserve a warning or not. It will only result in further punishment if warnings are not followed.

I can Fix it


Make all of Clan league play real-time