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People that never surrender: 6/20/2019 05:27:45

Ninja:D
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One of the most irritating players are those who never surrender in the games that are over.

I wonder why are they doing that.
let the opponent gets bored and surrendered to obtain high win rate?

how do you guys deal with that these players?

example:

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=18932214
People that never surrender: 6/20/2019 07:13:57


TBest 
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if you have a membership, you can let the AI do your orders (autopilot).

Before, I would win then blacklist them. If it's a RT game... well, surrender instead of wasting my time. And use a shorter boot time next game.

EDIT: oh and new players sometimes don't know about the surrender option. So ask in chat too once it's very won. (usually that is a boot and not a until elimination case.)

Oh and the game you linked is LD... oooff, that sucks :/

Edited 6/20/2019 07:16:53
People that never surrender: 6/20/2019 08:58:07


linberson 
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Yes, autopilot is your friend.
(and you are fizzers friend if you buy membership)
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 12:36:56


LeBorgne 
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I'm currently in two 1v1 ladder games with opponents who often take almost three days to move. And by their "last seen on..." info in their profiles, they are actually on Warzone, not taking their turns, I suppose because I'm kicking them. One is on the last turn, one will be done in about ten turns.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=18906215
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=18942729

They certainly aren't breaking any rules except etiquette. I wish there was a way to avoid these players, or at least shorten their torture times. Maybe there should be a "scumbag list," of people with bad behavior. I don't suppose it would help on the ladder, or in tourneys, but we could then blacklist them. Of course, I wish I could do that IRL, as well as URL.

Maybe ladders should also have some sort of vacation setting too?
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 14:27:37


TBest 
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Maybe ladders should also have some sort of vacation setting too?

You have to leave the ladder when you go on vacation. So no new games, but ongoing games are paused.

I guess one could argue that warzone should make griefing like this reportable and punishable. At least on ladders and other competitive games.
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 17:12:07


Norman 
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I guess one could argue that warzone should make griefing like this reportable and punishable. At least on ladders and other competitive games.

Not everybody playing here is an ultra competitive guy in his 20s. There are also some kids here who might enjoy playing until elimination just like I used to play the boardgame risk when I was a kid. It's better not to read to much into that.

Edited 6/29/2019 17:14:09
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 20:22:29


Frozen Koala
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It's not about being ultracompetitive, its about not wasting everyone's time out of spite. There's no comeback mechanics. There are finite resources. This isn't a FPS or a MOBA, Norman.

I can imagine its fun if you have "honor" and like irritating other people. Most games don't run multiattack, where a comeback is more possible. If you own a minority of the conquered map in most templates, you lost. End of story.

So here's what you do as the jerk's opponent. Eat up all their stuff. Except the last spot. Surround their last territory with huge stacks. Commit every turn by just stacking more around them. You barely spend more time on that game than they do at this point. There's no need to conquer the rest of the map. Often you catch their stack when it tries to flee, and they sign in to a whopping stack of... 1.

Is it a dick move? Maybe, but the opponent created the situation. I see it as an eye for an eye. Plus, its funny to see them get stuck trying to irritate you. The last few obnoxious opponents I had all surrendered of their own accord. Better late than never. :)
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 21:32:30


Joi179 
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i dont get your logic of "if they try to irritate me, i will reverse it and irritate them".
You are complaining that they are taking 3 days and play to elimination BUT then you yourself are doing it. then dont complain about it when you are fine doing it yourself. (the "you" is directed to people who are like this)
Imo you also achive nothing. You actually put yourself on their level.. congrats?

Someone taking always 3 days per turn and / or play to elimination are irritating. But you simply cannot punish them in the sense of "you are banned from playing ladders" or something like that and any rules would simply fail.

taking 3 days per turn? i mean the settings are on 3 days boot time so why shouldnt they be allowed to use that time? it doesnt matter about them being busy RL or not they have 3 days to do their turn.

them playing to elimination? thats also completly fine i mean the surrender button is only an "option". The only way to get people to stop playing to elimination would be some bot that automaticly surrenders a player when it notices that the player is losing and has no chance of coming back but that for one could lead to false positives and would probably get a lot of hate.

so nothing will ever change those people. and you cant enforce something against that. there are those kinds of people **everywhere**.

Edited 6/29/2019 22:18:30
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 21:35:54

THE_DONUTKING
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well beginners and people who are like level 60
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 21:53:14


Frozen Koala
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I'm assuming Joi is referring to me. FYI it's usually not "3" turns, it's a lot more. When they play to elimination, they don't stand still. They run from me to he other corner of the map. Or if they had a pick I can't reach, they stack there instead.

Get the picture? I'm not complaining about people who suicide everything at a larger army. I'm talking about people who have clearly lost and are essentially stalling. So I'm not going to give them the satisfaction of getting away with spiteful behavior. Continue on the horse if you want. This stuff rarely happens. But they won't stop that behavior if we ignore them or do what they want. :)

I'm not sure if you are conflating multiple opinions or something else. I don't care if people take their allotted time to play a turn. There's nothing in the rules stating that they are required to surrender and I never said as much. It's when they are clearly attempting to bother the opponent, that I care.
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 22:07:35


Joi179 
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"I'm assuming Joi is referring to me."

yes your post but if you would have read it it said "(the "you" is directed to people who are like this)" wich if you arent that person im not talking about you specificly.. i figured you would post something like this so i specificly said im not directing this comment to you but to the people that are that way but seems like that didnt work..

also didnt mean "3 turn" but 3 days

Edited 6/29/2019 22:18:43
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 23:18:30


TBest 
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I guess one could argue that warzone should make griefing like this reportable and punishable. At least on ladders and other competitive games.

Not everybody playing here is an ultra competitive guy in his 20s. There are also some kids here who might enjoy playing until elimination just like I used to play the boardgame risk when I was a kid. It's better not to read to much into that.


When I think of griefing, it's someone who is not trying to play the game properly. There is a difference between playing until elimination and playing 3 day until elimination while stating so in chat. Also cases like discarding team cards or attacking teammates over several turns would fit this category. This game, https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=18906215, by itself would not meet this requirement.

The only way to get people to stop playing to elimination would be some bot that automaticly surrenders a player when it notices that the player is losing and has no chance of coming back but that for one could lead to false positives and would probably get a lot of hate.

Maybe you could have a popup asking if you want to keep playing despite having 1/10 of the income (and mentioning how you can surrender)? No need to force a surrender.
People that never surrender: 6/29/2019 23:56:25


Joi179 
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"Maybe you could have a popup asking if you want to keep playing despite having 1/10 of the income (and mentioning how you can surrender)? No need to force a surrender."

i dont see that that would change anything considering that *most* players know how to surrender. and if they havent surrendered when already being down to 1/10 why should they surrender when the pop up comes?

also i dont know how wz handles with the information (only that you cant somehow get the information aka you cant cheat). but with a bot that would now both players income in fog wouldnt that make it possible to get that info and such cheat?
People that never surrender: 6/30/2019 15:40:18

Dj Storm
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For me, "griefing" and "bad behaviour" means:
- Joining team games and surrendering (or being booted) on first turn. Some players argue that they don't like the settings; however since the settings are public, all they "say" is that they don't bother reading them.
- Not following a team strategy to the point of doing exactly the opposite of the plan. This includes grabbing cards or discarding more cards than required.
- Not submitting orders until the last minute. I'm playing a few 7-10-30 day games where a player submits repeatedly one hour before boot time, despite being almost always online.
People that never surrender: 6/30/2019 16:29:15


Cowboy 
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Some of us actually think about orders, have lives outside of warzone, have other games to play, or do things on warzone that don't involve playing games.
The boot time given to us, is the time we're given to play
People that never surrender: 6/30/2019 18:36:54


Sakata Gintoki
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How do you play LD games RT?
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