also its hard to say "all stalling is wrong" because stalling is a subjective term. my idea of stalling could be veyr much different than yours, but there are cases where it is clear-cut examples of stalling with evidence and it happens often to talk about it and perhaps fixing it

edit: it would be sad to see joey join 101st :'(

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"Honestly, if I was put in the situation, where I only had to wait 1 hour before surrendering a game to get that gold trophy, I would do it in a heart beat. I would stall that one hour, than celebrate with a bottle of champagne, because I will have been working towards that moment for 3 years. It is also my personal belief that anyone who would claim otherwise is either lying, they don't care about the ladder, or they have been an elite and accomplished player for so long, that they have forgotten how hard it is to get good at this game. "

I agree with you. c:

For real. Stalling is kinda selfish, but it's understandable why someone might do it. As human beings we are instinctively and intuitively going to do things that are in our best interest as long as it doesn't cause a type of harm we feel is significant enough to matter. I think the degree in which someone is stalling has an impact. If you're stalling for an hour or two, or some shit, it's much different than if you're a chronic staller who stalls all their loses to heavily inflate your rating/rank.

And on the topic of hypocrisy, it's true that people are going to be less harsh on their friends who stall as opposed to people they don't care for who stall. Even if NoMercy has stalled in the past, I see NoMercy as a kind fellow who joined my clan to help out, despite not being much of a clan person. What reason would I have to dislike NoMercy if I have only had positive experiences talking to him or playing with him.

a posteriori belifs can easly be true.....
fx. the earth is the third planet from the sun

Sure, why don't you join 101st. We'd be glad to have you.

Harmony would be more glad to have him. >:[

Thanks everyone for the influx of clan offers, but I am on a ladder run right now and that is my main focus in this game :) All clan related activities will wait until after that.

@linberson I like extreme cases because extreme cases are normally where grey areas, and abnormalities exist. You bring up an excellent point, that is a moral gray area. If that situation did exist, I will have undoubtedly caused someone harm, which I do not consider a good thing. But I think these examples need to be considered in context. People can argue about the butterfly effect, but the butterfly effect really doesn't make sense in when it comes to things like, long run outcomes, statistics, and ELO rating systems. Chances are if I were to stall for an hour and get a gold trophy, I will have taken it from someone else who has the gold trophy, and after that hour I would surrender lose the trophy back to that same person (or the person who would have otherwise gotten it). So in the end I will have robbed one person from first place for only an hour. So I guess you could say it is wrong in that I harmed that 1st place person. But at the same time, I still would do it because I am an asshole, and a human. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

These people advertise inferior clans. Even my clan of Hellas is not the best. The true clan for exalted, enlightened individuals is DARKLORDS. Only intellectual masterminds are members of that clan, as they are the most selective on the entire platform.

Great job coming up with that new joke Alexander OK!

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Jokes making fun of Darklords are no longer cool? D:

I appreciate the support, Xenophon. Compliments like yours are what help get me out of bed in the morning. :)

100 posts in 12 hours? Gotta be a new record :D

How is it such an awful thing to say i don't care if masters cheated cl 9? I'm pretty certain others did exactly the same without proof and i wasn't even very active when someone of the so called ''ethics panel'' approached me to have a talk nobody of us two wanted.

Also how does the short stalling time justify anything? He stalled as long as needed so the result stays the same especially with ollie having the need of a vacation anyways. Of course stalling for long is worse but it doesn't justify anything

fight fight fight

btw i found a new stalling master - https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=16643786

it's as if he is in the wrong clan

Platinum, I didnt talk to you at all.

My point was more that you got to be considerate before you throw the first stone, and if you are so considerate then you should also consider the way the message is conveyed, and do your best to maintain that the future messages sent should be in similar fashion.

When I was called out for stalling, which I both apologized for, explained why and how it happened (and also openly regret doing), it became pretty apparent that the motivation was more of a personal vendetta against lynx and 101st, not so much about my stalling.

I understand people dont like stalling, and I apologize for doing it. However, like INRT, another outlaw member, did with alexclusive here, the whole post derailed into a personal attack where the goal wasnt to talk about stalling and make the person understand it was a bad thing. The goal was to come with as many accusations as possible, or so it seemed (correct me if Im wrong).

When you call someone out for stalling you DO take the higher moral ground, live up to it. And when you have made your point, and the person you called out has spoken his mind about it then leave it be.

The goal was to come with as many accusations as possible, or so it seemed (correct me if Im wrong).

Doesn't seem like that was the intended goal to me. But when someone starts defending himself against the accusations and his reasoning is something easy to dismiss, the discussion will turn heated.

When you call someone out for stalling you DO take the higher moral ground, live up to it. And when you have made your point, and the person you called out has spoken his mind about it then leave it be.

If telling someone to not cheat is taking the moral high ground, then i don't know what to do anymore. I thought it was just common sense; how wrong i am. When you have made your point and the person you called out comes with a weak excuse, why let it be?

You don't have to care about cheating in clan league, and I don't have to complain about things that are not actually against the rules, but you dislike. ;)

If you wish to take a moral high ground because someone played a risk clone for a turn longer than deemed acceptable by your pitiful self, then go ahead, but very few people will take you seriously.

3 day limit, you can take 3 days to move. end of.

Force finish based on income and armies like Tbest proposed looks like a way to go, but a difference of 5 or 20% is waaay too low, I've seen (and made) bigger comebacks than that. 10 and 50% are minimum imo.

Right. 20% with bad position leads to good comebacks and 50% is safer to say the loser stalls the game. If possible we can find some examples for this (from all ladders).

Better yet, implement a program to give a prediction if a player will win or lose. Than when the program is something like 95% confident a player will lose it can give a flag.

Too difficult to make predictions and go by that. Sometimes bad players play good and good players play bad.

I also think that even 100% more income is too less to autofinish; for example, in a beginners game, the situation may appear that a player finishes a bonus of 5 in two turns while his opponent eats up his other two picks (MME). In this scenario, player B would have a game-deciding advantage, but player A would win due to autofinish.

hmmm, these cases are rare-but yes, position and map control also needs to be taken while taking % of income.

Why not change it so you have to finish 5 games at 1st place, or something similar to get the trophy?

+1.

The thing about stalling is that the only countermeasure is to stall the staller.

No. Writing in game chat asking them to speed up solves some cases too. Other cases staller doesn't bother someone stalling them.

Calling someone out for stalling isn't taking the higher ground, it is enforcing sportsmanship. Don't be a child... And play with some maturity.

edit: i tried to avoid accusing anyone on this thread to prevent confrontation and there are TONS of people that have staleld in the past, but may not stall in the future. that is the goal, to making staling a taboo in this culture

edit2: alhazi use to play 5 games so he could max out his stalling potential lol not a great idea imo

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