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CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/25/2018 22:15:13

TBest 
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Hey Guys!

With myself being elected to lead CL for now and MW and Ko having been elected to be on the Audit panel, it's time to move forward. If you have missed most of the drama, here is the important game link with all the clan representatives. https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15947305

The position is open to anyone and everyone. In order to apply, please create a mail thread with myself, MW and Ko, simple stating "I would like to be a part of the ethics committee". One of us will respond to that email with a number of questions that we kindly ask that you respond to.

https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=7818276235 ~Ko
https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=856960317 ~TBest
https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=253091943 ~MathWolf

Following the application process, the plan is to have clan representatives vote. The details of how that vote will be carried out will be posted at a later time. Furthermore, we do reserve the right to reach out to players if we believe them to be a good candidate and/or they are requested by several players. We don't expect to do that a single time, as all candidates will hopefully come across this post, that will be shared at all major discussions arenas. We will accept applications for 10 days, however certain aspects of the process may move forward earlier. (Such as posting a list of applicants so that CL Representatives may discuss the applications as well as whether the panel should consist of 3 or 5 players)

Edited 7/26/2018 01:15:36
- downvoted post by Cowboy
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/25/2018 23:12:07


Bane 
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Something tells me you shouldn’t have written ‘Ethnic committee’ the first time around, lol
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/25/2018 23:35:48


Toua Tokuchi
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I would like to be part of Fair play committee.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 05:11:23


The Furious Logan
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if its cool i will think about it
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 06:31:57


knyte 
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bookmarklet for a one-step application- https://bookmarkify.it/10242 (you still have to actually run the bookmarklet from within warzone.com)

If you want to one-click apply: (https://youtu.be/EHjK4mSct0w)

1. Go to https://bookmarkify.it/10242

2. Drag the blue link ("Clan League Ethics Committee Application") to your bookmarks bar

3. Navigate back to your Warzone tab (i.e., this page)

4. Click the bookmarklet. You're done.

It's 4 steps but takes <10 seconds, plus it gives Math Wolf/Ko/TBest your mail in a standard format that hopefully makes up for the dozen or so junk messages I sent them while trying to figure this out.

Edited 7/26/2018 07:36:46
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 09:31:53


DanWL 
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There's also https://bookmarkify.it/10253.
You could directly put it into your browser's address bar using this:
javascript:(function(){var playerIDs=[69603,182762,30919],subject="Clan League Ethics Committee Application",message="I would like to be a part of the ethics committee",sendMail=open('https://www.warzone.com/Discussion/SendMail');sendMail.onload=function(){var invalid;if(Array.isArray(playerIDs)){playerIDs.forEach(function(playerID){invalid=false;if(typeof playerID=='number'&&isFinite(playerID)){if(playerID<4532){invalid=true;alert('account '+playerID+' does not exist');}}else{invalid=true;alert(playerID+' must be a number without quotes');}if(!invalid){sendMail.DiscussionTo.push(playerID);}});}else{alert('must be an array');}var includeSubject=subject!==false,includeMessage=message!==false,mailCanBeSent=sendMail.DiscussionTo.length>0,autoClose=function(){if(includeSubject && includeMessage){if(mailCanBeSent){sendMail.onload=function(){sendMail.close();};sendMail.document.querySelector('#SubmitPostBtn_0').click();}}else if(!mailCanBeSent){sendMail.close();}};if(mailCanBeSent){if(includeSubject){sendMail.document.querySelector('#SubjectBox').value=subject;}if(includeMessage){sendMail.document.querySelector('#TextArea_0').value=message;}autoClose();console.log('sent');}else{autoClose();console.log('not sent');}};})();

You can customise the playerIDs, subject and message is you want to. subject and message are optional. To not include them, set them to false (i.e. subject=false)

Edit: updated code.

Edited 7/26/2018 10:10:06
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 09:32:47


Kezzo
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I would like to apply for this wonderful job with this amazing co-workers! What speaks for me doing a good job is that I'm elitist and I know it, and also I'm very down to earth humble. One more good thing is that I'm very productive and drama free.

My earlier life experience who makes me great for the job:

* Working as a slut since 2016. Might take some time at nights but overall I'm very active and have good stories to tell to smooth the hyenas after our biased decisions.

* Playing CL with Plat, so I very have a great patience.

* I work as a referee so I m good at punishing people who don't follow the rules.

* I'm also a teacher so I'm great at favoriting people and clans when needed.

* I have watched some Paradise Hotel so I can backstab people when I want.

So other than this I think I should be given this amazing opportunity because I know I have the community behind me on this, I am very beloved by my fellow players and people look up to me since I have accomplished many great things on WZ, like the tournament win on CL div A if you remember? I was also the one that broke MOTD's 25 games win streak on the MDL, and also Im 13-2 in CL div A for a total. So I think you dont even need to consider the other volunteers, you have the best one right here in front of you!

Oh yeah I almost forgot, I am a very humble person!

Yours truly, Kazzo, Kezzo, Kezzi, Kizzi, Shizzi, rikki, tacki and shizzo!

Edited 7/26/2018 09:43:23
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 10:03:44


sound_of_silence
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my ethic is to win
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 11:22:56


Math Wolf 
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@knyte and DanWL, thanks for the help, but please test on your own alts first next time if possible?
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 12:06:46


DanWL 
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I tested on my alts. I was testing Knyte’s.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 15:02:17


Min34 
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Do the people who were already nominated and expressed interest have to sign up on here as well?
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 15:26:40


ChrisCMU 
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I am not going to "apply" because I don't believe in the premise of that process. Being on the ethics committee should not be a role that one desires. Nor should it be something that people should state their case for (if we don't know a person well enough, they should not be on this panel).

It should be a position that OTHER people want YOU to do (because you bring something they need).

So, if the CL desires ME to help with this, I will. I value the CL greatly and have given many years to it. But I don't seek out leadership in it. If I can help, I gladly will...but only if someone else wants me (not me wanting IT).

Either way, I look forward to this panel doing great things and good luck!
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 15:43:53

Baer
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If ChrisCMU will not apply (which I agree with his reasoning), I nominate him
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 16:02:23

TBest 
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Do the people who were already nominated and expressed interest have to sign up on here as well?

Yes. While being nominated is great, part of the reason of signing up is to see an official statement that they are willing to do it.

I am not going to "apply" because I don't believe in the premise of that process. Being on the ethics committee should not be a role that one desires. Nor should it be something that people should state their case for (if we don't know a person well enough, they should not be on this panel).

Sorry, but you can't force someone to do it. Hence they need to sign up. In the end it is up to the clans to pick who they want. Part of the process with signing up is that they are asked some questions, which will help towards the "I don't know you" problem.

It should be a position that OTHER people want YOU to do (because you bring something they need).

There is a vote from Clan Representatives to elect them. To me it sounds like you want this excat process that we are doing here. Not sure what part of the premise you are not agreeing with.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 16:38:16


AWESOMEGUY 
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From my experience, having a position where people volunteer instead of being nominated always leads to unqualified individuals running an organization (I don't know who has privately expressed interest, but from this thread, you can see it's 100% correct so far). People who think they can do this job to the extent that they volunteer themselves have no idea of what the job really entails, otherwise they would never even think about volunteering.

@TBest, I don't think you're understanding what Chris means. There is a difference between "volunteered" and "voluntold," the latter of which is ideally how CL organization should proceed. Those who are "voluntold" are done so because people believe they are capable, not because they believe it themselves.

Of course these people cannot be forced to accept an organizational position. However, by nominating capable people and giving these people a choice of accepting, you have the ability to control the pool of candidates and ensure you only get people who are motivated and qualified to have such positions.

On the subject of the voting process: it should be up to clan representatives to only elect a CL "Leader" or "Main Organizer." If the majority are satisfied with the choice, then they should also be satisfied with how this leader structures CL and appoints others to help him organize it. As is, with every single CL-Organization candidate having equal consideration and being voted on by every single clan representative (most of whom should not even be considered), the entire process will take too long, considering everything else that has to be done to get CL prepared for future seasons.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 17:10:22


Min34 
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I'd say send a notification to the people who already were volunteering / nominated. If people already expressed their interest then it would be a shame to lose willing people because of an extra step.

Anyways, I suppose I'll sign up here as well
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 20:37:00


knyte 
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(spam test mails were all me, not DanWL)
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/26/2018 22:27:43


Math Wolf 
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@everyone: if you want to apply, send a PM as described in the first post, don't say it in this topic.

@AG: without going into details, I can say that so far there isn't much overlap between the troll/clueless applications in this topic and the serious applications we received through PM so far. I expect this trend to hold.

Reply to what Chris brings up: please by all means do nominate other people who you think will do the job well, and ask them to apply! I personally think one of the best arguments a candidate can use to get the clans to vote for him/her, is being asked by multiple people from different clans.

As TBest mentions, we do ask a few questions and I'm sure that the answers of the candidates should provide sufficient guidance for the clans in their voting. The effort to answer these already is an extra hurdle that should weed out those who underestimate it or don't understand what it entails. Additionally, the audit committee will reject all applications that we feel are not serious or where the candidate does not have the basic qualifications. (we hope we don't have to do this of course as we want to interfere as limited as possible).

We can only hope that the clan representatives will choose the best candidates from the remaining pool of candidates, but in reality this is rarely the case anyway because (1) you can't predict in advance who would do the job best and (2) people do sometimes prefer popular outsiders over boring technocrats in any election.
The second doesn't need to be bad in this case. It may be better to have someone who is more loved by the community in the ethics panel as this person may also have the charisma to avoid more drama and keep everyone happy.

Finally, with some people saying TBest should just pick, or people should be nominated by the clans: there is nothing that stops a clan during voting to privately consult TBest on his preference or check this and other topics on which names were mentioned by others.
Note: The audit panel itself will however never publicly endorse any candidate to remain independent.

TL;DR version: Yes, it's not ideal, but we have reason to believe it will work.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/27/2018 02:51:04


Bane 
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well i certainly want chris to be on.
- downvoted post by Pulsey
- downvoted post by Pulsey
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/28/2018 22:27:09

FiveStarGeneral 
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I'd like to nominate Chris, AG, and Edge.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/31/2018 15:01:24


ChrisCMU 
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Thanks. As I said, I 'applied' in the original Discord chat, when people nominated me. So if the leaders/clans want me, I'll do my best.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 7/31/2018 16:57:58


Bane 
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make us proud, dad.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 8/1/2018 00:41:02

TBest 
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@everyone: if you want to apply, send a PM as described in the first post, don't say it in this topic.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 8/6/2018 12:57:17

TBest 
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The application time has ended and the survey is undergoing the final checks. The survey will hopefully be distributed to the clan representatives later today.

Edited 8/6/2018 12:58:20
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 8/6/2018 19:51:44


It is Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Cannon
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Nice.
CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 8/6/2018 21:32:22

TBest 
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This is the survey. The link to the survey and a unique code will be emailed (starting to send them right after this post) to the clan representatives for voting. If you don't receive a mail, but should please let us know. We will give approximately 10 days before closing the voting.

List of representatives: http://clan-league.westus.cloudapp.azure.com/allclans The secondary will be allowed to vote upon request.

Lastly, I would like to thank all the candidates for applying. They are all good options.





CL Ethics Committee Now Hiring!: 8/6/2018 22:55:19


Math Wolf 
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A small word on our two proposals at the bottom.
These try to find a consensus / middle ground between some opposing views on the ethics panel that were not yet decided on. A separate vote on this would have only delayed the process, so we included them immediately.

  • 3 versus 5 members: 3 is a minimum and extending it will only be done if clan leaders sufficiently support the lower ranked candidates as well.

  • same or different clans: we propose to have at minimum 3 different clans, but allow for a second member of the same clan only as fourth or fifth member if they receive sufficient support. This is a consensus between avoiding to give one clan too much power and rejecting good candidates because there is already someone else from the same clan.

The first draft of these proposals was written before receiving applications.

Of note, in this election same clan rules apply to:
Edge & psykkoman (Outlaws/Platatoe Knights)
Reza & Chris (WG)

I will obviously not give any voting advice on the candidates.
My voting advice on the proposals is for clan leaders to agree with them.
Nevertheless, we will execute whatever the majority decides.
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