when I played ladder I would take my turns every 1-3 days..
your idea is that people that don't play warlight everyday don't deserve a place on the ladder?

Grow up Billy. The ladders have 3 day boots, if you don't like it don't play in the ladders

Spoken like a staller. Given your pathetic stats, I guess you have to find any advantage you can. Try learning how to play the game instead.

your idea is that people that don't play warlight everyday don't deserve a place on the ladder?

I think he's just saying most people don't play the ladder like you. In my experience, my opponents all seem to be on Warlight everyday.

I got somebody stalling from the very beginning right now. He takes 2 1/2 days to do everything from making his picks thru turn 3 so far. But he's on the site everyday. He wont even input two orders in one sitting, after he sees mine. He inputs one and then just lets it sit there for 2 1/2 days. He's basically waving a white flag. He knows I'm going to beat him.

Edit: username is Roooob

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I got somebody stalling from the very beginning right now. He takes 2 1/2 days to do everything from making his picks thru turn 3 so far. But he's on the site everyday. He wont even input two orders in one sitting, after he sees mine. He inputs one and then just lets it sit there for 2 1/2 days. He's basically waving a white flag. He knows I'm going to beat him.

That's not necessarily true at all. When I'm busy in real life and have several games going, I often wait to confirm orders even if I've already decided them because I might not have time to decide the next turn's orders within 3 days.

For example, if I have 6 games going and I decide my orders for all of them on Sunday, but don't confirm, then during the week I can just confirm one game at a time whenever I have time to think about the next turn. But if I confirm all of them on Sunday, then I have to decide the next turn's orders in all 6 games by Wednesday, and sometimes I don't have time to do that.

Edit: I assume other people wait for similar reasons. It's only stalling if you know you've lost and you're just delaying the end of the game. Otherwise, it's just playing slow; and there are plenty of legitimate reasons for playing slow.

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If this were court, and you have a sympathetic judge and jury, you may able to get Roooob found not-guilty because there is a reasonable doubt. Not guilty and innocent aren't the same thing, though. Just because I cannot prove he is stalling because he knows a loss is coming, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Court? Last I heard we were talking about a Risk app. There's never gonna be a judge or jury involved. I don't like people stalling either but that's their right if they want to do it. Again, if you find it to be SUCH a problem there's always the option to not participate in the ladders.


PS Yeah I'm such a staller with my average move speed of 4 hours.

when I played ladder I would take my turns every 1-3 days..
your idea is that people that don't play warlight everyday don't deserve a place on the ladder?

It'd be great if we could set restrictions based on average (rather than max) turn speed for games. Right now, we're saying we expect people to take 3 days per turn when in reality we're probably trying to accommodate people who'll need 3 days to take a turn maybe once or twice a game. If instead, we had an 18-hour restriction on average turn speed (the moment your average turn speed exceeds 18 hours, you're booted, for example). That should be mathematically equivalent to banking times-

If you let N be the # of elapsed turns and S be the maximum average turn speed- and let the Nth turn's speed be x(N), then

average turn speed <= S

(x(N) + (x(N-1) + x(N-2) + ... + x(2) + x(1))/N <= S

(x(N) + (x(N-1) + x(N-2) + ... + x(2) + x(1)) <= NS

x(N) <= NS - ((x(N-1) + x(N-2) + ... + x(2) + x(1))

So the time you have to take your Nth turn is equal to the total time you've accumulated so far (N * S) minus all of it you've spent. You're just basically getting S hours to take each turn (you'll always have at least S hours, since the moment you exceed the average you get booted) and banking extra time.

Looking at the 1 day + time banked proposal along those lines, that would be pretty workable given the current ladder even for you since your average turn speed is 18 hours. We can look at the ladder and either go by the 95th percentile 95th percentile time (the time that, for 95% of people currently on the ladder, is long enough to complete 95% of turns) or just go with an average that people agree on.

3-day boot just isn't a very workable model, imho, and it doesn't really take advantage of how well we can handle things with banked time.

Yeah I'm such a staller with my average move speed of 4 hours.

I was going to say that doesn't mean you don't stall when you lose but since you lose most of your games I suppose it is mathematically impossible for you to stall all of your losses and have that average speed. My apologies. Though I still suggest you learn how to play the game.

My suggestions to you are twofold:

1. Learn to take the game less seriously

2. Learn to pick better entourage characters to use as your avatar. I personally suggest Rob Gronkowski

"I got somebody stalling from the very beginning right now. He takes 2 1/2 days to do
everything from making his picks thru turn 3 so far. But he's on the site everyday. He
wont even input two orders in one sitting, after he sees mine. He inputs one and then just
lets it sit there for 2 1/2 days. He's basically waving a white flag. He knows I'm going
to beat him."

This is once again one of the characteristics I'd suggest you avoid Billy if you want to not alienate everyone on the Forums. Believing someone is deliberately stalling from the start because they've heard of your great reputation and assumes you'll beat them is very arrogant and arrogance isn't a great quality. After all I'd assume at least some people out there deliberately stall your games because you're always complaining about stalling on Forums whilst being very rude to anyone who disagrees with you.

I myself have probably been averaging similar at times over the past month due to it being the exam period at my university. I also often checked warlight without taking my turns in 1v1 ladder games. This was mainly due to the quality of my opponents being very high and me not wanting to take a turn when I've not got an appropriate amount of time to think out and plan a move. Currently I am not taking a move in either of the ladder games I'm in as it is 5 minutes past midnight here, I'm tired and wont be thinking properly. However I'm on right now to keep updated with news in my clan and take some turns in simpler games where little thought it required so I don't hold them up too much.

In summary I believe you should be more tolerating of slow play and a lot nicer to people.

(As an example, in case you're not familiar with how to be nice to people, look at your post above (post 61) you started off with what was a nice apology to someone you wrongly accused of stalling, but then ruined it by telling them to "learn how to play the game". These kind of unnecessary and rude remarks really aren't needed and if you could cut them out I'm sure you'd become better as a person. If you want any more advise on how to be nice to people feel free to get in touch. I'm always willing to give advise to those who need it.)

Billy, you yourself claimed that he isn't doing it simply to stall, since you stated how he's been doing it since turn 1.

and my response to the people that proposed making the boot time 1 day..
if they were to do that, many people would be forced to leave the ladder, which would make the ladder much less a test of skill.

When I used to play, I had 15-30 games up at a time, and despite being online every day, I only tended to do the ones I had up at 1 1/2-2 days simply because I didn't have time to run through every game every day...
although, if I did have time, and/or fewer games have proced, I would do earlier games.

I know that stallers exist, and there have been propositions as to how to fix it since the ladder was in in it's infancy, but most solutions punish the less active players.
the real time ladder was sort of a solution to the problem I think, but icr, I had already become highly inactive by that time.

I have to back up both. With shorter boot time, I would need to elave ladder compketely, because I would have no time for proper thinking because of my work schedule.

Learn to pick better entourage characters to use as your avatar.

I am Billy Walsh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-v1hOJCphI

because they've heard of your great reputation and assumes you'll beat them

Straw man. Having heard of somebody is not a requirement to know whether or not they are likely to beat you.

In summary blah blah blah.

In summary, i don't recall asking your opinion, nor do I give a fuck what you think.

^^Very touchy for someone who doesn't care about what I think.

But I'm glad you read through my post.. hopefully some of it will get through to you one day :)

for not giving a fuck what people think, you sure do respond alot.

if you didn't care what people think, you'd be more likely to post and move on, unlikely to even see the post again.

no.. your actions are more of a person that cares too much about how he is viewed.

if i'm disrespected by some inferior player who wants to take a cheap shot at me, i'm going to call him out for being the clown that he is. that's not the same as caring about whatever drivel he spewed. it's all the same. they might as well put <jealous hating here>. that's all i see.

I'm with dry-clean-only on that one, to be honest. You're just being disrespectful all the way, to anyone that doesn't agree with your views. I see polite, non-insulting arguments being given against you and you respond with stuff like :

he's a dick

talking all this shit

punishing him for behaving like a child

stupid bullshit

Spoken like a staller. Given your pathetic stats, I guess you have to find any advantage you can. Try learning how to play the game instead.

In summary, i don't recall asking your opinion, nor do I give a fuck what you think.

So, I'm just going to quote dry-clean-only in response.

So maybe before insulting me, calling me a liar and falsely accusing me of being a staller why don't you grow up and learn some manners.

That was just my input into it. Feel free to disagree.

I'm with Albert Einstein on this one