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Does anyone know of any maps of the Tibetan Kingdoms?

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Can i test this?

BTW Gangas should be Ganges to not be confused with a different place in india

Edited 5/10/2016 03:27:23

No it shouldn't, the Ganges is farther north.

This is what "Gangas" describes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Ganga_dynasty

oh ok nvm

Tibet seemed to be fractured at this time.

Also, why is there a Christian Khanate?

Yes, I've just noticed that. I'll change it to a kingdom.

The question was more "why is it Christian" than "it's a kingdom, not a khanate"

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@Tchaikovsky Reborn: A series of expeditions by the Church of the East from the 10th century made a lot of central Asia christian for a time.

INDO-HINDU CIVILISATION

Ujjain (Paramara Kingdom): 8
Patliputra (Pala Empire): 9
Paharpur (Pala Empire): 5
Pipili (Pala Empire): 3
Kannauj (Gadavala Dynasty): 9
Chittor (Paramara Kingdom): 5
Somnath (Solanki Kingdom): 4
Bijapur (Chalukya Dynasty): 5
Vatapi (Chalukya Dynasty): 4
Kalyani (Chalukya Dynasty): 7
Manyakheta (Chalukya Dynasty): 7
Tanjore (Chola Empire): 5
Gangaikonda-Cholapuram: (Chola Empire): 6
Anuradhapura (Chola Empire): 4
Vengi (Chola Empire): 4
Cuttack (Chola Empire): 3
Tripuri (Kalachuri Kingdom): 4
Kalinjar (Kalachuri Kingdom): 3

Edited 5/23/2016 00:56:43

I don't know enough about India, specially in the middle ages, to contest that. Meanwhile, you literally just made a whole video about it, so I'll just trust you with that :P

ISLAMIC WORLD

Marrakech (Almoravid Dynasty): 6
Aghmat (Almoravid Dynasty): 4
Toledo (Al-Andalus): 5
Badajoz (Al-Andalus): 3
Córdoba (Al-Andalus): 9
Al-Mahdiya (Zirid Dynasty): 5
Tunis (Zirid Dynasty): 3
Qayrawan (Zirid Dynasty): 3
Palermo (Sicily): 5
Adjabiya (Fatimid Caliphate): 4
Alexandria (Fatimid Caliphate): 7
Cairo (Fatimid Caliphate): 8
Aswan (Fatimid Caliphate): 3
Mecca (Fatimid Caliphate): 5
Jerusalem (Fatimid Caliphate): 5
Levantine Tripoli (Fatimid Caliphate): 3
Damascus (Fatimid Caliphate): 7
Baghdad (Abbasid Caliphate): 9
Basrah (Abassid Caliphate): 6
Jibal (Abassid Caliphate): 4
Aleppo (Aleppo): 5
Mosul (Mosul): 7
Tabriz (Azerbaijan): 5
Ardabil (Azerbaijan): 4
Isfahan (Seljuq Empire): 8
Shiraz (Seljuq Empire): 5
Rayy (Seljuq Empire): 4
Marv (Seljuq Empire): 3
Zarani (Seljuq Empire): 3
Old Urgench (Seljuq Empire): 6
Samarkand (Kara-Khanid Khanate): 8
Ghazni (Ghaznavid Empire): 7
Lahore (Ghaznavid Empire) 6
Multan (Ghaznavid Empire): 5
Daybul (Ghaznavid Empire): 4
Muscat (Oman): 4
Sana'a (Yemen): 4

Edited 5/23/2016 13:53:17

You mispelled "Al-Andalus" in basically every instance of it...

Also some cities should have a different value, in my opinion:

Alexandria: 8 - It was still a commercial hub in the eastern mediterranean. Probably the biggest, aside from G L O R I O U S Constantinople.

Cairo: 9 - The biggest, most powerful city of the muslims, weaker than Córdoba? :s

Damascus: 7 - Far more developed as a city than many other 6's out there.

Baghdad: 7 - Once again, overrated for a city that fell so easily to the turks.

Samarkand: 8 - The center of the Silk Road, biggest and most important city in central asia. Economically it was a hub just about as big and powerful as Damascus... In the middle of goddamn nowhere! A gem in the steppes.

Mecca: 4 - Zero economic importance, and not densely populated to be a 5. Literally the only thing it has is a big black rock that makes people pray.

About Al-Andalus, I'll correct it, but it's not a massive problem - that name doesn't actually appear in the map.

Alexandria: I'm trying to make the point that it was of lesser significance to Cairo, and each civilisation is limit to two tier-9 cities, but this is covered in your next suggestion -


Cairo vs Córdoba: Córdoba was actually the largest city in the whole world for a time during the early 1000s. By 1045, a Chinese city called Kaifeng overtook it, but it was nonetheless still an absolute giant, and larger than Cairo as far as I'm aware.

Damascus: Fair enough, I'll change it

Baghdad: Its population was well over 200 000 at this time, that surely noteworthy. The reason it fell to the Mongols was because pretty much everything around it had, and plus that's 200 years later anyway.

Samarkand: Again, point well made - I'll change it.

Mecca: Cities aren't just rated on their economic importance or population, they get extra points for being an influential religious or political centre. This is why Aachen and Rome score so highly.

Edited 5/22/2016 00:32:31

About Andalus, well, I know it's not on the map, but correcting it now might prevent the typo from showing up in the map itself. I still giggle at Murcia being called "Murica" everytime on your 30YW map.

Well, Aachen was also capital of the franks for some time; it was still a big city. There is a point on that. Rome was also quite big at the time. Mecca wasn't even the biggest city on Arabia.

As for Córdoba, I honestly didn't know that. Wow o_O

Anyhow; I maintain my point about Baghdad and Cairo. It was big, but not as powerful as Cairo. The Abbasid era was long gone; Cairo would be the center of political power for the islamic world for a VERY LONG TIME. It was the head of the Fatimids, the Ayyubids and later the Mamluks, taken over only in the 1500s by the Ottomans; and it was still a large and powerful city while under ottoman rule. The islamic world's political center would be Cairo until 1453, when Constantinople - now under turkish rule - took over.

Edited 5/22/2016 00:52:23

Yeah, I've had second thoughts about Mecca. The lowest a city can be is 3, and I'll boost it to 4 due to its religious significance.

As for Cairo, I know it became very important during the Mamluk era, but are you sure it was that big in 1045? It's not even 80 years old at this time; the Fatimids founded it just a few decades earlier.

I believe Cairo had a population of around 130,000 around 1045/1050