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The Epic History Poll: 4/22/2015 21:40:27


Genghis 
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Italy had an okay fleet with pretty elite infantry. After north Africa, they were too wounded to make a comeback. Abyssinian war was relatively costly too. Italy just couldn't take the heat like Germany.
Axis and allies combines them for ease of territories. Italy would only control southern Europe or north Africa. Too weak.
The Epic History Poll: 4/22/2015 21:45:01


Mudderducker 
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I think this has all gone of topic...
The Epic History Poll: 4/22/2015 21:46:23


Tyrion Lannister
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i know.

but axis and allies is also inaccurate, they got rid of sahara, which couldve given italy a soviet-like income.
The Epic History Poll: 4/22/2015 21:56:49


Mudderducker 
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Americas modern history very significant, overall history ranks considerable lower. Which is the topic.
The Epic History Poll: 4/22/2015 21:56:52


Genghis 
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Sahara was too strategic a position. Controlling it would mean reign over Africa.
The Epic History Poll: 4/22/2015 22:07:08

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I tear my dick off every time I remember the Germans invaded North Africa with one panzer division-which would have given them total control of the Mediterranean-, and instead used the rest to attack Russia because Hitler wanted farmland

Edited 4/22/2015 22:08:10
The Epic History Poll: 4/22/2015 22:11:43


Жұқтыру
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Invading Poland lost the war for Germany. Poland was actually a German ally, too.
The Epic History Poll: 4/22/2015 22:15:41


Genghis 
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Germany had a pretty bs excuse about the Danzig corridor for invading Poland.
The Epic History Poll: 4/22/2015 22:17:50


Жұқтыру
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The excuse was that Poland allegedly attacked Germany (though the Danzig corridor was important to get, and an unsaid reason for war).
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 16:41:53

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I would like to know where you got that Poland was allied with Germany?
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 17:02:15


Жұқтыру
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It was well known that Poland wanted to invade USSR, with help of Nazi Germany. Felix Dzerzhinsky presented the following report:

The possibility of an armed attack on the Soviet Union from Poland, Romania and the Baltic border countries, under the influence and with the support of capitalistic England, is now becoming more and more relevant and from theoretical assumptions has transferred to the sphere of real opportunity.


Polish-source reports did much the same:

The dismemberment of Russia is at the heart of Polish politics in the east, so our possible position will be reduced to the following formula - who will take part in this dismemberment? Poland should not remain passive in this great moment of history.. The aim is to prepare well in advance both physically and spiritually. The main objective is the weakening and defeat of Russia.


Also, the Pildulski-Hitler pact stated that Poland would "actively cooperate" with Nazi Germany. They invaded Czechslovakia together,

Memoir of Ribbentrop with conversation with Beck (Polish ambassador):

Then I again spoke with Beck about policy of Poland and Germany against the Soviet Union and therefore also on the Great Ukraine, I again offered cooperation between Poland and Germany in this field.
Mr. Beck did not hide the fact that Poland claims the right to Soviet Ukraine and access to the Black Sea; he immediately pointed to the alleged dangers that, according to the Polish party, could arise from Polish treaty with Germany against the Soviet Union.
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:12:01

Elroi{IL}
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What does not make sense in this story, Poland was attacked German invasion large that destroyed most of the Warsaw, making Poland occupied territory not even state coercion, or an ally, if Germany really was an ally of Poland why they organized an invasion destroyed a lot in Poland? And gave them rights to independence far worse than the other occupied European countries,,,
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:29:48


Жұқтыру
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It's because Hitler hated Slavs.

http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/מרחב_מחיה
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:32:14

Elroi{IL}
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I know, but Hitler made an agreement with Bulgaria, a Slavic country, Slovakia established a neo-Nazi government, and the same to Croatia, and Poland was conquest area.
And I know, he wanted to make Poland and Russia into a living space area Aryan race, and make the Slavic slaves

Edited 4/23/2015 19:32:26
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:35:29


Жұқтыру
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Well, Hitler needed some space to himself, not just Neonazi/fascist governments. The same reason why he declared war on Russia.
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:38:26

Elroi{IL}
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He also declare war on Russia as an attempt to discourage the United Kingdom, to get them to surrender, he thought they would help Russia, they wanted to conquer Russia, they will have to make threats to Britain to see no options and get them to surrender, he was wrong because the Americans join
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:39:43


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USA declared not because of Nazi Germany, but because of the Japanese Empire. As we can see, Hitler is always getting screwed over by his allies.

Edited 4/23/2015 19:40:06
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:42:12

Elroi{IL}
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Yes, allies of the Germans with the Japanese only caused them harm
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:23:42


Ox
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The Italians were even worse allies, though.
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:24:55

Elroi{IL}
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Why? They added their army, although apparently they did not have a good strategy and organization
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