I do.

Honestly, I voted for America because I'm extremely patriotic. If it wasn't for that, i would've gone for Austria-Hungary (if it was there) or Ottomans.

Also by the Netherlands, Sweden. "Colonised by England" Great Britain, thank you very much.

And Great Russia :)

2. When USA defeated France, you make a complete lie saying that it was "mostly fought and (incorrect spelling) one by the Americans". Britain defeated France, as part of the Seven Years War. When they defeated UK, they had a lot of support from France. Gaining Florida was to do with a confusing treaty, in the aftermath of the Seven Years War. America gaining "completely destroying and taking Spain's colonies"... They defeated MEXICO. Not Spain. Two ENTIRELY different countries.

Also, in 1899, that's the American-Spanish war. America took the Philippines and Cuba and Puerto Rico. Not an important war though, Philippines were already in full revolt, and Cuba=Canaries, but bigger.

WW2: Operation Barbarossa was a stupid move from Germany. This proves that they have learned nothing from Napoleon. If you attack Russia (by this point USSR), and you don't beat the country by winter, you will simply be defeated. NOBODY survives Russian winters (Except the Mongols). The USSR's strength would be enough to take down Germany, and with the help of Britain, and the Free French, they would have almost definitely still won World War Two. Note that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the most important factors that made Japan surrender, it was USSR breaking their Non Aggression Pact. This would very likely still happen in the alternate timeline, where USA doesn't join World War Two, and Japan would be defeated as well. The several other Axis Powers (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, even Italy, etc.) would easily be defeated, because they wouldn't have a strong enough military, or they simply had bad leaders... *Looks at pictures of Mussolini*.

Another fact: Soviets killed 3/4 Germans total killed in World War 2, and 1/3 deaths in World War 2 was a Soviet citizen. Also, the Soviet Japanese invasion took 11 days to complete, capturing what's now North Korea, Kuril Islands, Manchuria and Japanese-controlled Inner Mongolia.

Wow... USA has nukes!? AMAZING! So does France, UK, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, maybe Israel, and maybe North Korea (hard to tell what North Korea are up to).

Also, South Africa used to have nukes, but threw them away. Hats off to them for peace. Also, many other countries (Sweden, Switzerland) used to have nuclear programmes, but disabled them in the 70s 80s era.

This is about epic history, not how great they are.

5. Ever heard of Werner von Braun or Albert Einstein?

1. Terrible argument. You lose without even trying to win.

2. George Washington led the British forces.

Thanks for sharing this information. Totally forgot about Russia colonising Alaska.

The rise and fall of the Austrian Empire is also very interesting.

1. Also by the Netherlands, Sweden. "Colonised by England" Great Britain, thank you very much.

I did mention other nations in my rebuff to angry panda.

Gaining Florida was to do with a confusing treaty, in the aftermath of the Seven Years War. America gaining "completely destroying and taking Spain's colonies"... They defeated MEXICO. Not Spain. Two ENTIRELY different countries.

Your confused.

Britain gained Florida after the seven years war, but it was retaken by Spain after the revolutionary war.
However Andrew Jackson took Florida because of bandits operating from there, and we later payed spain for it.

Also, yes we defeated Mexico, but i'm talkign about the SPAINISH-AMERICAN WAR OF 1899. WHERE WE DEFEATED SPAIN IN 3 MONTHS, TAKING PUERTO RICO, CUBA, GUAM, AND THE PHILLIPINES, THE LAST OF SPAINS COLONIES.

3. This point makes absolutely no sense.

Its a referrence to the fact the people from almost everywhere have immigrated to the US.

4. WW1: The Entente would have won anyway. With the Ottoman Empire being heavily defeated, the ethnic breakup of Austria-Hungary, and the sheer weakness of Bulgaria, Germany would be the only Central Power left, and would either A) Realise that they cannot win, or B) Continue fighting, and lose.
WW2: Operation Barbarossa was a stupid move from Germany. This proves that they have learned nothing from Napoleon. If you attack Russia (by this point USSR), and you don't beat the country by winter, you will simply be defeated. NOBODY survives Russian winters (Except the Mongols). The USSR's strength would be enough to take down Germany, and with the help of Britain, and the Free French, they would have almost definitely still won World War Two. Note that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the most important factors that made Japan surrender, it was USSR breaking their Non Aggression Pact. This would very likely still happen in the alternate timeline, where USA doesn't join World War Two, and Japan would be defeated as well. The several other Axis Powers (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, even Italy, etc.) would easily be defeated, because they wouldn't have a strong enough military, or they simply had bad leaders... *Looks at pictures of Mussolini*.

WW1, your probably right.

WW2: Germany was working on nukes as well. And other advanced Missils. And a good part of the troops that landed on normandy were Americans.

Also- USSR's strength? enough to take down Germany? Pls.

Free French- Weaker than Hungary. Worthless

USSR- Oh god. No, it was the fact that literally hundreds of thousands of civilians were dying daily as the US bombed Japan.

As I said before the Germans were close the making nukes. One nuke, big russian army = gone.

London = gone.

Etc., etc.

5. Wow... USA has nukes!? AMAZING! So does France, UK, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, maybe Israel, and maybe North Korea (hard to tell what North Korea are up to).

We have more than all of them combined.

5. Ever heard of Werner von Braun or Albert Einstein?

1. Terrible argument. You lose without even trying to win.

2. George Washington led the British forces.

5. Helps my arguement.

George Washington led Virginia Militia in 7 years war, and you know it!

1. Yeah. That one wasn't very good.

THE LAST OF SPAINS COLONIES.

False. Ever hear of Bioko? O las plazas de Soberanía o las Canarias? Still settled by Spain today (except Bioko). By 1899, Spain was weak, it's nothing to be really proud of to defeat. Also, the Phillipines helped America out quite a bit, having already drained Spain's resources since before the war.

Its a referrence to the fact the people from almost everywhere have immigrated to the US.

Emirates, anyone?

And a good part of the troops that landed on normandy were Americans.

D-Day was not important in World War 2, relatively.

Also- USSR's strength? enough to take down Germany? Pls.

And yet....they did.

Free French- Weaker than Hungary. Worthless

Bit harsh to say. Put it more at Italy's level.

We have more than all of them combined.

Your confused.

Indeed I was. However at that point Spain was no superpower. They were just a falling nation breathing their last breath of colonial power waiting to be taken away by a rising nation.

Its a referrence to the fact the people from almost everywhere have immigrated to the US.

People immigrate to America because they understand the strength of their economy, and their people's lifestyles. America is a very glamorous country nowadays, but we're debating its history.

WW2: Germany was working on nukes as well. And other advanced Missils. And a good part of the troops that landed on normandy were Americans.

Also- USSR's strength? enough to take down Germany? Pls.

Free French- Weaker than Hungary. Worthless

USSR- Oh god. No, it was the fact that literally hundreds of thousands of civilians were dying daily as the US bombed Japan.

As I said before the Germans were close the making nukes. One nuke, big russian army = gone.

London = gone.

All the German scientists who suggested weapons utilising the atom were exiled.

USSR's strength was not necessarily enough to take down Germany, but their winter was.

The Free French were a massive driving force that were a very strong component liberating French Africa.

The primary reason Japan surrendered was because USSR broke their Non-Aggression-Pact towards them.

We have more than all of them combined.

Even Western reports suggest that Russia probably have the most nukes nowadays.

Also, considering America beating the French, without Britain's manpower capacity, USA would have never been able to beat the French.

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THE LAST OF SPAINS COLONIES.


False. Ever hear of Bioko? O las plazas de Soberanía o las Canarias? Still settled by Spain today (except Bioko). By 1899, Spain was weak, it's nothing to be really proud of to defeat. Also, the Phillipines helped America out quite a bit, having already drained Spain's resources since before the war.

Its a referrence to the fact the people from almost everywhere have immigrated to the US.
Emirates, anyone?

And a good part of the troops that landed on normandy were Americans.


D-Day was not important in World War 2, relatively.

Also- USSR's strength? enough to take down Germany? Pls.


And yet....they did.

Free French- Weaker than Hungary. Worthless


Bit harsh to say. Put it more at Italy's level.

We have more than all of them combined.

Bioko? Not worth mentioning.

also, not entirely true. Spain had a decent navy in the atlantic, and Pascual Cervera y Topete was a decent admiral.

For UAE? almost certainly. 'Merica has 6 million muslims. gotta love 'em.

Yes, USSR took down Germany... only with other stronger nations (thinking UK, US).

Also, UK and US made peace with Russia and US sent them supplies because... they didnt want Germany to win. USSR received MUCH HELP.

Free France was not at Italy's level. it had better military leadership, but it wasn't that strong.

Bioko? Not worth mentioning.

also, not entirely true. Spain had a decent navy in the atlantic, and Pascual Cervera y Topete was a decent admiral.

For UAE? almost certainly. 'Merica has 6 million muslims. gotta love 'em.

Yes, USSR took down Germany... only with other stronger nations (thinking UK, US).

Also, UK and US made peace with Russia and US sent them supplies because... they didnt want Germany to win. USSR received MUCH HELP.

Free France was not at Italy's level. it had better military leadership, but it wasn't that strong.

Spain were NOT strong in 1899. Not at all. They had their time to shine like 200 years ago, by then they were just the old man all the kids made jokes about.

Germany would have been defeated because of their drastic loss in manpower after Russian winters.

USSR could have taken Germany down by themselves, who reached Berlin?

Free French are underrated, they were actually very important in the war.

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Tyrion, Werner and Albert were both Germans that defected to our side for variable reasons. The point being the soviets didn't capture everything. Beyond that, Germans never would have completed nukes. Most of the scientists were persecuted or converted to V-2s.

Germany were also not on the path to developing nuclear weapons. Note how they all got exiled or killed?

Yes, USSR took down Germany... only with other stronger nations (thinking UK, US).

Your whole post deserves this picture.

For UAE? almost certainly. 'Merica has 6 million muslims. gotta love 'em.

UAE has over 80% of it's population as immigrants, Arabia's at 30%, other countries in the area are also pretty high.

Also, UK and US made peace with Russia and US sent them supplies because... they didnt want Germany to win. USSR received MUCH HELP.

Without Tuva and Mongolia's help, we would have lost the war...it's true...point is, America did not help much.

Free France was not at Italy's level. it had better military leadership, but it wasn't that strong.

Italy was very weak. Look at their Greek invasion.

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Yeah, haha. Italy invades Greece, and gets pushed back into Italian Albania, and asks for help from Hitler to beat Greece, which prolongs Operation Barbarossa.

The only things Italy did successfully in the war was capturing Albania (if that can be counted as World War 2), Corsica and Nice.

The only things Italy did successfully in the war was capturing Albania (if that can be counted as World War 2), Corsica and Nice.

This is even wrong, because Corsica was annexed by Italy without any war, as Vichy France was an allied state of the Axis, furthermore the Irredentist movement (Corsican movement promoting the unification of Corsica to Italy) in Corsica was very popular.
However, the rise of the French resistance liberated Corsica in 1943, the Italians already left the island (they had 30000 men in corsica); and when Italy signed the armistice the 3rd of September 1943, the Germans replaced them (15000 men) as it was an important strategical place, those Germans had later to retreat when the Free french resistance came with 6000 men from North Africa + Corsican resistance expelled them, by the end of the year of 1943, Corsica was freed.

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^ Mussolini was useless.

^ true.

thats the real reason why Axis and Allies combines Germany and Italy.

UAE has over 80% of it's population as immigrants, Arabia's at 30%, other countries in the area are also pretty high.

all americans are within 12th generation immigrants.

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^ I thought you were Canadian.