...and if the non vaccinated person can pass the disease to VACCINATED one what is the point of vaccine then???

"Sure go ahead and believe whatever mainstream media tells you, without checking."

I don't recall suggesting anyone pray as a means of avoiding disease. I'm pretty sure that that would be the method of choice for people who believe in blind faith.

Vaccinations are not about a lack of checking. They're the complete opposite, they're the result of tens of thousands of hours of research and clinical study.

Vaccines have never been advertised as 100% fool-proof immunity to diseases. Especially since diseases mutate over time, and the greater number of people with a disease results in faster mutation. Choosing not to vaccinate increases transmission and mutation rates, which weakens the benefit of the vaccine in vaccinated populations. This isn't hard to understand.

Remove your tinfoil hat, it's cutting off the circulation to your brain.

Lighting.

You’ve always been a good person in my chat. But Dude. The link you shared is so sketchy and clearly fake BS. If you believe this stuff, then you’re just denying science and doctors. If that is the case, then I’m gonna put you in the same box as all the idiots who think the earth is flat or that politicians are lizards.

Your guy Usain Bolt just had a kid. Do you think a guy who follows a strict diet and workout regiment (backed by decades of food science) would say screw doctors and not get his kid vaccinated?

You can’t pick and choose what science you believe in. You’re smarter than this. Stay off those clearly BS websites. Because those same people who write that stuff think school shootings are staged. And I’m not sure if you’d want to be associated with those people.

Well nauz if they don't work 100% I would rather rely on my own immune system, than I would to some scientist who are paid to speak what they're told to and give out information only that satisfy those who funded the research. If you believe world is great and all milk n honey, you're badly wrong... Just take a look who leads World Health organization and look at their career resume. What they did prior to that...

Do your Own research and dig deeper, stop believing everything on first... There's always second side of the story...

if "your own research" is sketchy sites and youtube videos that you take at face value, then please dont call it research. Cause it isn't.

Sure go ahead and believe whatever anti-vaccine media tells you, without checking. Just believe them they're here to save you...

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Lighting, are you vaccinated your self, or is your family also against vaccinations?
Do you have a particular religious background that does not allow you to get vaccinated or are you an anthroposophist?

Vaccines are great, as they can extinguish viruses that otherwise would have kept evolving along side humans and people will get less often sick.

But I have trouble finding articles on the possible impact from our immune system having less work to do, and are use to fighting weakend viruses from vaccines, and our immune systems will have increasingly less work in long term, so when a new virus emerges, that virus can cause a disastrous higher death toll then in a society that does not take vaccine shots, and maybe causing 99% deaths instead of 60%.

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The solution: get vaccinated!

I'm just saying freedom of choosing to take it or not. We are smart enough to decide whether to take it or not... Whoever feels like it will protect him, go ahead... mRNA vaccine is not something that you should play with... Altering the DNA in my opinion brings huges risks with it. Since proper vaccine should undergo 10 years of testing minimum, before being release for human use.

Maybe the real dutch desire was the friends we made along the way

Dutch, that's not quite how vaccines work mechanically. Think of the immune system like an adaptive missile defense system. Part of it reacts to the missile technology it sees and develops countermeasures for similar future weaponry. (As you can see, the big gap in such a system would be novel weaponry: If your system can't adapt in time, the missiles do significant, possibly lethal, damage.)

Vaccines are like stealing enemy technology and using it to train your missile defense system before actually getting shot at. E.g., for the flu vaccine, it's like using a deactivated and inert enemy missile to train your system instead of waiting for the enemy to actually fire the missile and potentially cause actual damage. For the OG smallpox vaccine, it's like firing upon yourself with a closely related missile and having your system learn about the whole new type of missiles, preparing you for a much stronger enemy weapon of the same type.

The missile defense system still does the same work; it finds, targets, and destroys enemy missiles. The shortcut you're taking is in training the recognition and countermeasure preparation system: In a way, that's working harder since you're preparing it early on for various types of missiles rather than waiting for it to much less rapidly find them on its own.

I think the immune system issue you're thinking of is overprotection, which would be like shutting down enemy missiles through other means (here, not going outside and living in very clean environments) so your missile defense system has to do much less work. On the other hand, vaccines just help- rather than replace- your immune system by preparing it but not fighting the virus themselves.

This is why Drix, rather than Chill The Flu Shot, is Osmosis Jones's partner.

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"I think the immune system issue you're thinking of is overprotection, which would be like shutting down enemy missiles through other means (here, not going outside and living in very clean environments) so your missile defense system has to do much less work."

In that case, we had the worst possible reaction to covid. We should just get out and about like normal, rather than give our immune systems an extended vacation.

Let's just spread it to everyone and everybody that dies, dies.

Chaotic Neutral

@goodgame: Staying indoors during COVID is like staying in a bunker during a massive nuclear attack instead of wisely using the opportunity to train your missile defense system. /s

Remember the novel weaponry gap I mentioned? This scenario is the exact situation where purely leaning on your immune system can fail massively for the population at large. We are in an arms race with pathogens and sometimes the pathogens pull ahead.

(Your missile defense system can't help you if everything is dead. This is the same reason measles parties are a bad idea, and goes back to the logic of vaccines: You want to train your immune system with little-to-no risk instead of risking your life and getting permanent damage by just yolo-ing your immune system. You prepare your body for dealing with ordinary pathogens by going outside; you don't try the same approach with a plague.)

If you're really concerned about this "vacation" for your immune system, your home likely has many toilets you can lick.

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Havnt taking a shot since i was 18 and i survived covid

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis

I think this is what you mean goodgame

If you're really concerned about this "vacation" for your immune system, your home likely has many toilets you can lick.

savage.

Think of the immune system like an adaptive missile defense system. Part of it reacts to the missile technology it sees and develops countermeasures for similar future weaponry.

Out of all the things to compare it with, it has to be missiles. Americans, amirite