I don't understand this post, is a € like a $? Weird stuff lol

€ is the currency in most of Europe. This is common knowledge that you should probably be aware of.

Same as MA. This is hilarious in that the landlord thinks he can get away with this, but also sad in that his gambit is gonna eat up that many hours of your life.

But boy do I love a legal beat down. Waiting to see if I'll have to give one to my ex-landlord as well.

Landlords are a curse on humanity.

They really aren't. We often get confronted with the worst of them, as they make interesting stories. That doesn't mean all lanords are bad. Just that a lot of stories about landlords are about them screwing people over.
This landlord is bad though. It has taken up over 100 hours of my life. I will fight him in court and I will most likely win the case. I did some checking today, and he has never lost a case. It'll be interesting

Perhaps this landlord wins cases by stressing out the tenants and making them throw in the towel. o_o

Also, its silly to assume everyone in an occupation is bad, generally speaking.

I had a fantastic landlord personally, I broke the oven in the house and he charged everyone equally for it.

My current one is keeping all our deposits due to Covid-19. Probably fair.

If law's weren't an existing mechanism, you'd be exploited shitless. They're money whores.

My best wishes Farah.

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I had a fantastic landlord personally, I broke the oven in the house and he charged everyone equally for it.

er ....

Plat, your mom is not your landlord.

Also, its silly to assume everyone in an occupation is bad

Being a landlord isn't a job. Let's not treat it as an earnest way to make a living.

I blame the oven.

It's like guns, Blame guns not the people using it.

Mao was right goddamn

"They really aren't. We often get confronted with the worst of them..."
"Also, its silly to assume everyone in an occupation is bad, generally speaking. "

I am not saying they are personally bad, I am saying the existence of landlords is a curse on humanity. Maybe 'curse on humanity' is too strong. Better said they are a drain on society.

"If law's weren't an existing mechanism, you'd be exploited shitless. They're money whores." <3

"Being a landlord isn't a job. Let's not treat it as an earnest way to make a living." <3 <3 <3

Landlords profit of *other* people's labour. Even Adam Smith, arguably the father of capitalism, argued against the existence of landlords.
You cannot make a sensible argument for their existence.

"...landlords, like all other men, love to reap what they never sowed"-Adam Smith.

Having to pay rent or interest on a mortgage, are the two things that makes me the most angry about the economy. It is practically feudalism. I mean, the word 'landlord' quite literally has the word 'lord' in it.

So, a minor update:

My landlord and his administration both blocked my number. Unfortunately they weren't smart enough to block it at the provider-level, so I can call anonymous. Sad.

After a few phone calls, they decided to tell me who the debt collector was. Surprise, surprise, said person does not exist. They also failed to remember how much they were going to sue me for. They also fail to remember what the costs are for. All they could tell me was that I now owe them at least €600-€800 more because I hadn't paid a bill I haven't received yet.

They truly are a beautiful couple.

@Farah: The problem with those claims of suing you is that, at least according to German law but I guess it's true everywhere, the loser has to pay the costs of the winner. However, if someone just threatens to sue you and never goes through with it, you have to pay the lawyer you might have taken and who might have prevented them from suing.

So just making a lot of noise about how much you are going to sue somebody for is cheap. IMO you should at least wait until you get a letter from an actual lawyer before you are doing something which costs you money. I have also read a nonsense bluff from an actual lawyer, however still this is usually considered the point in time when you should get some legal counseling.

FYI The landlords Smith was talking about aren't Farah's landlord. Smith was living in the era of landed English gentry, not people renting out homes to live in. Smith was mainly critical of landlords that held monopoly power over the distribution of productive land- think a lord controlling vast swathes of farmland and demanding rent that reflects the production of the land rather than the value added by the landlord's development of the land. His point was that, if landlords are allowed to dominate, they would be able to charge as much as they could get away with and therefore get basically all the proceeds of working the land. Presumably, such landlords aren't much of a reality under Dutch law. Really you just need a few simple measures like rent control and relaxed zoning regulations to solve the landlord issues in this case: If new housing can be built, that places a much lower bound on how much rent landlords can demand.

Smith wasn't a libertarian (in the capitalist sense) but he was also not a Maoist out to "liquidate" the landlords. It turns out you can solve hard problems without radically transforming your economy into a system with a 0% success rate and a notoriously high body count.

As for interest on the mortgage... That's how loans work, dude. If someone lends you a ton of money, they first need to make sure they don't get less back (due to inflation) and then they need to up the interest rate due to the risk of some people not paying them back- and that's just to get to 0% loss, not sustain a business. Are you against landlords, or are you just against profit? Mortgages won't work as a charity; could try a nationalized mortgage program but I suspect that'll go about as well as how US federal grants/loans have in the domain of college costs.

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In the Netherlands, you can have the state pay you for a lawyer. My lawyer hasn't cost me a cent so far, only if my landlord actually dares to take it to court. And there's a very big chance that he'll have to pay for my lawyer, as we both see no chance for him to win

@MA I'm pretty sure everything you object to is ultimately greed, not the system of borrowing for a cost.

Again. It's stupid to lump an entire spectrum in as bad. And not helpful. I get the impression you've had some really bad experiences with renting, and I'm sorry about that. But that doesn't disqualify the system as a whole. Imagine if I said that business loans were bad - because I got scammed by a loan shark.

I have neighbors down the street who are renovating an entire house during this pandemic. Themselves. They probably will rent it out later because they are trying to gain an economic foothold in this country. They are literally building their income with their sweat and elbow grease, hopefully no blood or tears. How is someone like this a "drain on the economy", pray tell?

See, there's a world of difference between this and the (often corporate) jerks squeezing people dry, everywhere. There are many places where renting is a necessity due to income imbalances and/or high land costs. If you live in an area where housing is cheap, then yes, landlords are not that important. But this isn't the case everywhere. If low-mid income people can't rent, then they have to buy. And with the prices, that would mean they have to buy a share of a space as a group. Which vastly complicates economic matters, and is harder for the other-wise tenants than renting from a decent person, imo.

You can't seriously think that potential landlords should sit on their potential income while other people need the living space (that restricts a "free market", yanno). It's not like people care to build a lot of cheap affordable housing. Cuz that's not swanky and profitable. Unless you aren't using your entire pad. Oh, wait....

The problem is really when landlords get abusive. Or tenants. Or anyone else. We could just as easily argue that capitalism is bad because so many huge interests have corrupted it. But that wouldn't be fair, would it?

This is like reading stuff from car drivers who don't want bus or bike lanes.

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Also, its silly to assume everyone in an occupation is bad

Being a landlord isn't a job. Let's not treat it as an earnest way to make a living.

trick

proud of you mate, show them who's the lord

Good luck Farah, hope you find a better place to live. I finally got my credit good enough to buy a house. But now all the repairs are on me. Turns out my mortgage payments are much cheaper then what I was paying for rent. Rents are very high here, in and around Austin TX. landlords have the upper hand. I have had better luck with private owners than with corporate ones. I believe in free enterprise but paying 2 1/2 times what the house is worth by the end seems excessive. 4.25% compounded compounded compounded ect.