Why not full payout: 2020-06-09 23:48:57 |
natto
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gotta make that bread somehow
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Why not full payout: 2020-06-10 01:42:29 |
LND
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If Fizzer didn't take some of the coins back, the number of coins in the system would get to the point where people wouldn't really need to buy coins anymore, they could just win them off games and the number would more or less stay the same, just circulating between players. If Fizzer takes a cut, eventually someone has to buy coins, because otherwise the coins would eventually run out. So yeah, it's to make bread. ;)
Actually, you can apply chemical equilibrium laws to this situation: Imagine this is a series of chemical reactions: let P = player 1 G = player 2 F = Fizzer $ = irl money C = warzone coins --> = irreversible reaction <=> = reversible reaction therefore, assuming Fizzer doesn't take the 10% fee for coin games: Reaction 1: $P + $G + C2F --> $F + CP + CG Reaction 2: C2P + C2G <=> CP + C3G
Now, when you put the chemicals in the test tube (Warzone), there are initially no coins in the hands of the players, or money in the hands of Fizzer. So Reaction 2 cannot proceed, until Reaction 1 has started. So Fizzer starts raking it in. However, now that Reaction 1 has started, so can Reaction 2 - the coins start being circulated among the players. Eventually, there will be enough coins in the system that Reaction 2 can proceed both forwards and backwards quite happily, without the need for Reaction 1 to occur. So Fizzer isn't making much money anymore (asides from the occasional person).
How can Fizzer create more revenue...? Perhaps by changing Reaction 2 as follows (where P is creating the game): Reaction 2a: C5P + C5G + F --> C3P + C6G + CF
By also reacting with C to form CF, Fizzer competes with G and removes C from the system. Therefore, Reaction 2a can no longer go on back and forth forever, because CF does not degrade back to F, i.e. the system will run itself out. Reaction 2b: C3P + C6G + CF --> CP + C7G + C2F
Reaction 2 can now no longer proceed because P cannot afford the game creation/entry fee. Even if G starts creating the games and losing them, because (Cx)F keeps removing C from the system, eventually P and G will no longer be able to play coin games... unless they use their $ to get new C as per Reaction 1. Hey presto, Fizzer is now making $ again. Genius, Fizzer!
At the request of MathWolf and krinid, the following reactions have been added: let R = rafflebot W = coinwheel A = ad L = player on coin leaderboard M = premium features (memberships, clans, premium colours, etc.) Therefore rafflebot reactions: Reaction 3: CF + R --> F + CR Reaction 4: CR + P --> R + CP
Coinwheel: Reaction 5: CF + W --> F + CW Reaction 6: CW + $A + P + F --> W + A + CP + $F
Coin Leaderboard: Reaction 7: L + CF --> CL + F
Premium features: Reaction 8: CP + MF --> MP + CF Reaction 8a: $P + MF --> MP + $F
In total, Reactions 2ab & 8 must proceed at such a rate as to have their ouput of CF outweigh the input of CF of Reactions 1, 3(4), 5(6) & 7. When this occurs, Reaction 1 must proceed in order to maintain sufficient supply of CP, therefore (also taking Reactions 6 and 8a into account) Fizzer makes money! (I would have also included players retiring with coins, but that's kind of hard to make into a chemical equation. :( )
There you have it - chemical equilibrium laws applied to economics. ;) Not perfect, I know, and probably confused more people than it helped, but I'm a nerd, and it was fun to come up with. ;)
Edited 6/11/2020 01:59:50
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Why not full payout: 2020-06-10 01:57:48 |
{ANB} BaZooka!
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Brain fart
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Why not full payout: 2020-06-10 16:17:38 |
Baer
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I asked Fizzer this in one of our games. He said because of the coins that enter the system through coin wheel and raffles, there needs to be a balancing mechanism So there aren’t too many coins
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Why not full payout: 2020-06-10 16:19:26 |
rick
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lnd flexing chemistry skills in warzone
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Why not full payout: 2020-06-10 19:39:27 |
Phobos
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Amusing as lnd's explanation is, the principle behind Fizzer's cut is that "the house always wins." Go to any sports book in the world and add up the odds. The expected payout by the house is always lower than the expected pay in by the better.
Vegas operates on a -110 vig. That is on a standard bet with 50-50 odds you must bet $110 to win $100. Say 1000 $110 bets are made with 50% of them on one side, and 50% on the other. Regardless of who wins, the house will pay out $105,000 and receive $110,000.
Fizzer lives by making money off this game. He makes money in one of two ways: 1) advertising revenue, 2) people buying things from the game (membership, colors, coins). For both he relies on coins, because you can buy everything in the game through coins, and the coin wheel exchanges a small number of coins for an advertisement. The only way for this game to be a sustainable business model is if when coin games are played Fizzer takes a percentage.
Edited 6/10/2020 19:42:55
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Why not full payout: 2020-06-11 20:58:57 |
Mark-Dad-Of-Two
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ROFL loved the explanation
If you think fizzer has hard monitised warzone then you are on a different planet from me and a lot of games in the play store The adverts are not even that intrusive.. Go and give games like Words With Friends a spin to get yourself an edukation on the horrors
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Why not full payout: 2020-06-12 02:15:07 |
Skaarfungandr the Mighty
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The coin wheel pops up on the Warzone app, after you win a game each day (iirc). I believe it can even appear after opening a game won on a prior day. You won't earn coins very fast, but you won't miss much either. Levelling to 50ish isn't very hard if you can win a decent percentage of games.
Raffles and the like are generally organized by players through lottery games or tournaments, afaik
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Why not full payout: 2020-06-13 00:43:02 |
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I'm pleasantly surprised at the level of detail on these answers.
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