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Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/16/2020 14:07:31


TBest 
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You should post it in A so the clans there are prepared for you :)

Didn't you know? The teams in A are stalling, since they are afraid of MH and want this season to last as long as possible!
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/16/2020 14:59:34


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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I have the feeling B is slower than A.
We dont want to let you go :P
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/16/2020 18:37:32


Norman 
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Here some thoughts on the 2v2 Europe game between M'Hunters and FCC:

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20788827

Mylos picks:
- Great first turn bonus combo.
- Also love his picks 3+4. Picking France over the Netherlands is the right move.
- Pick 5 great for taking out the Russia first turn bonus.

Petes picks:
- Mylo getting his Russia pick worked like a charm with Pete having a 3 pick combo there.
- Great map coverage in conjunction with Mylos picks.

FCCs picks:
- They decide to mirror pick. Their mirror fails and they lose the game. Each and every combo of the FCC team gets screwed with. So what happened?
- At first glance their mirror makes sense with 1 Ireland and then 2+3 the Benelux combo. This could ensure that the player moving first gets Ireland and the player moving second gets the combo. However Mylo steals Ireland which has not only the effect of them losing the apparent best pick in the game but also them splitting their 2+3 Benelux combo. I believe this outcome shows why you shouldn't mirror pick on the map. I understand if you want to mirror a super dominant pick as your number 1 but apart from that mirroring seems to be just plain wrong.

Pete taking Hungary right infront of his opponents nose adds a special touch to the game. The M'Hunters team doesn't receive a gg.

We practiced 2v2 Szeurope picks in depth in our clan by studying Timinators and Miyagis games from clan league 7:
https://www.warzone.com/multiplayer/tournament?ID=15709

Edited 3/16/2020 18:39:03
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/16/2020 21:30:14

Xenophon 
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Norman your analysis is terrible, we only lost because of me forgetting to put the key Norway attack on turn 2 as last order. If we had done that the game is over as Mylo is quickly overwhelmed by our income and then it becomes a 2v1. As for mirror picking on szeurope imo it is a perfectly fine strategy. Here is a game where timinator and I destroyed your clan with mirror picks https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15375964 study that.
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/16/2020 22:14:07


Rogue NK
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Reminder that MH's only loss was played real time and lasted a mere 14 minutes long after 2 hours for picks.

Edited 3/16/2020 22:16:44
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/16/2020 22:26:16


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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your 2nd loss is still ongoing
and picks lasted more than 9 days ;-P

Edited 3/16/2020 22:31:25
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/16/2020 23:29:10


Norman 
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Norman your analysis is terrible, we only lost because of me forgetting to put the key Norway attack on turn 2 as last order.

I saw that careless mistake however I'm not interested in the gameplay. Even if it was true that you would have won then, a victory depending on the opponent not sniping you with a 4v2 attack or a later 3v2 move doesn't look very convincing to me. Also this wasn't even supposed to be an in depth analysis of the whole picking stage, else I would have mentioned stuff like you prefering Northwestern Russia over Western Russia.

As for mirror picking on szeurope imo it is a perfectly fine strategy. Here is a game where timinator and I destroyed your clan with mirror picks https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15375964 study that.

I don't care that much whether a game was won or lost when I look over it. In the game against Mylo you double picked Ireland and we single picked it. This gave you a 66% chance of your team getting the bonus and if this was the case your team also wouldn't have had their combos screwed. The sole benefit of mirroring is that push the opponent out of a certain area. On 3v3 Europe you need to mirror else you risk getting pushed out of the islands and after the islands there usually is a clear hierarchy of spots you want to have.

The difference between the game you posted and the game against Mylo seems obvious to me:
- In the game agaisnt Mylo you getting the Ireland pick would only be a minor inconvenience for us since we had Britain basically neutralizing your pick. Ireland was neither for you nor for us a must have.
- In the game you posted your mirrored first pick took out 4 of our picks.

Edited 3/16/2020 23:37:14
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/16/2020 23:49:20

Xenophon 
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We actually have a 75% chance of getting Ireland, there are 4 players in the game each with a 25% chance of picking first. The only way you get Ireland is if Mylo picks first, if Pete, Faler or I got first pick we get Ireland.
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/17/2020 00:01:28


Norman 
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Thanks, I forgot about Pete.
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/17/2020 01:05:33

Xenophon 
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Norman it might interest you to know that there are 3 other possible distributions for this game all of which result in Mylo being stuck on base income for the entire game. I think what happened here is you guys lucked out and got the one scenario in which Mylo could have some impact on the game. congrats champ!!!.
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/17/2020 02:30:37


Rogue NK
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Thanks.

Edited 3/17/2020 02:31:13
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/17/2020 03:21:36


AyanM 
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thanks.
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/17/2020 12:00:39


Norman 
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your 2nd loss is still ongoing

@Let's fight: Yeah, in the picking stage.
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/17/2020 12:41:58


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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Maybe there is a game in picking phase that you are going to lose. That I can't say.
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/18/2020 21:45:24

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Update #6: 03/18/2020

At a Glance:



Again, due to the sheer volume of games that have finished, analysis of individual games is too much work.


  • M'Hunters (8-0) remains almost unstoppable, claiming another 8 victories since our last update. A 2v2 win against FCC on Szeurope increases their vast lead over the competition. MH has shown themselves to be a clan of a completely different tier compared to the rest of the competition.
  • Fifth Column Confederation (7-2) has had a solid record, furthering themselves from the rest of the pack. But even an extraodinary 7-2 is not nearly enough to match MH's 96.1% PC, and their recent loss in the H2H has made this fight for first even more difficult. Can they pull it off? This (unbiased) analyst says no.
  • HAWKS (7-3) have also had a pretty good week, improving their PC percentage by over 6 points. Special shoutout to Dreamworker for getting no less than 4 1v1 wins. Key wins against {101st} and Statisticians means that they are quite comfortably in third, with almost twenty percentage points separating them from the next competitor. However, their distance from second place has only grown, and unless something changes dramatically, they well remain with their bronze.
  • Statisticians (4-5) have floated up the rankings and have managed to grab fourth place. They have yet to score more wins than losses in any inter-update period. As mentioned previously, they have quite a gap to jump in order to improve their rank again. Perhaps they could win the "Most Improved" award.
  • {101st} (2-9) are now in the battle for relegation. They do have the most games completed since the previous update, but unfortunately for them there is no award for that. They do have a bit of a buffer above CORP , but with their current downtrend this buffer could quickly disappear. While they are 2-6 on team games, both wins have been against CORP, so at least they are beating down on their relegation opponent.
  • CORP (1-4) now has a 6-13 overall record, over twice as many losses as wins. At 19 points, they also have the lowest total points. They will need to improve their record against {101st}, or else they will be dropping back down to division C. It is difficult to imagine that they were once the frontrunners of the division.
  • [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos (2-8) actually did not have the worst record of the group this time. That is pretty much all the good news they get, with their leader Glass jumping ship to WG. His reasons have not been publically revealed, but it does seem a strange choice as their current performance may very likely lead to Glass playing division B again in CL 13. Division B, is, however, still higher than C, in which [V.I.W] will almost certainly be playing come CL13 (provided they do not drop out).


    Games finished since last update:

    3v3: Deadman's Rise of Rome

    HAWKS (ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!!, Axl, J.P. defeats CORP Ragnar Lothbrok, Sixpointer, Nemo
    https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20597540

    M'Hunters Hazlenut, Ollie, Berenbossen defeats [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos Mister Glass, Chazz Michael Michaels, Tiberio Nero Claudio Cesar
    https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20725954

    2v2: Modified Medium Earth

    Fifth Column Confederation Xenophon, MasterPitt defeats HAWKS Axl, J.P.
    https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20754016

    2v2: Szeurope

    Fifth Column Confederation FalerCZ, Xenophon defeats {101st} ARand0mPlayer, Half Moon
    https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20655592

    HAWKS TurboTT117, AlexB defeats [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos Vindude, Andre Laufmöller
    https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=21006793

    M'Hunters Pete Hansen, Mylo defeats Fifth Column Confederation FalerCZ, Xenophon
    https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20788827

    Statisticians JuOx, Jackie Treehorn defeats [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos Vindude, Andre Laufmöller
    https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20655594

    2v2: Volcano Island

    Fifth Column Confederation IRiseYouFall, Checkmqte defeats {101st} THE AWESOME OTTERYCAT, Matt431
    https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20598897
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/18/2020 21:45:37

DrApe 
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1v1: Battle Islands V

Fifth Column Confederation Aura Guardian defeats Statisticians Nick
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20824175

[V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos lineal2012 defeats {101st} ACL Tears
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20824177

HAWKS Dreamworker defeats {101st} ACL Tears
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20621936

HAWKS Dreamworker defeats Statisticians Nick
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20912199

1v1: Biomes of America

Fifth Column Confederation MGO defeats [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos Andre Laufmöller
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=21057068

M'Hunters AJ Chiller defeats [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos Andre Laufmöller
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20885928

Statisticians Jackie Treehorn defeats Fifth Column Confederation MGO
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20885929

1v1: French Brawl

{101st} ACL Tears defeats [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos Tiberio Nero Claudio Cesar
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20867824

HAWKS Dreamworker defeats {101st} ACL Tears
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20687980

HAWKS Dreamworker defeats Statisticians [ARM]BelSon
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=21031221

Statisticians [ARM]BelSon defeats {101st} ACL Tears
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20770530

M'Hunters DrApe defeats CORP dry-clean-only
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20947551

1v1: Landria

M'Hunters Ollie defeats CORP Lionheart
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20921311

M'Hunters Ollie defeats {101st} Derfellios
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20834065

[V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos Glass defeats CORP Lionheart
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=21006797

Statisticians Math Wolf defeats {101st} Derfellios
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20753590

M'Hunters Ollie defeats HAWKS TurboTT117
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20753588

1v1: Strategic Greece

Fifth Column Confederation Octane defeats {101st} JustinR17
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20814240

M'Hunters Emu Pub defeats Statisticians BMT216A
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20895008

1v1: Strategic MME

Fifth Column Confederation Octane defeats HAWKS Thor
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20964563

{101st} SNDBX defeats [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos Princess Hélène d'Orléans
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20964562

HAWKS Thor defeats [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos Princess Hélène d'Orléans
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=21048344

CORP KKND defeats Statisticians [ARM]BelSon
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20964564
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/18/2020 22:32:59


Norman 
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Oh man, V.I.W. has so many great players. I felt so jealous as I looked over their clan page yesterday :(

You are like M'Hunters in the first season we joined the clan league. We didn't care at all who played and just promoted by clans dropping out. So much potential here.

Edited 3/18/2020 22:39:35
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/20/2020 16:59:37

[V.I.W] recruiting time! Join us !
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LOL we like to move up and down
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/30/2020 21:06:28


Rogue NK
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Praise Jesus! The sheet was updated!
Clan League 12 Division B Official Thread: 3/31/2020 08:38:32


Math Wolf 
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I think Statisticians may still promote, Jackie only finished 7 games, so we still have at least 42 points extra incoming. :-)
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