In the end i think only the community can organize a way to fight stalling by either forum posts or even harsher by excluding such players from all forms of community events. If the community acts together in that matter it could make a real point and change. But if we're honest that's not going to happen as i feel that the community is to divided to make that happen. Especially considering the potential hate organizers would get if they exclude players from their events. So it would be tough to get the support of organizers to really go into that direction.

In the end i think it's just a small number of clans/players who would be willing to take these efforts to fight against stalling. On the other hand just a very small number or clans/players would protest against it, but i think the majority wouldn't care and therefore it isn't possible for either side to gain a majority. I think u need a majority to really change something or at least accept it and without the organizers it wouldn't be possible anyway. But then again there would be other discussions starting again on individual cases. Discussions would be just shifting from stalling yes/no to excluding players due to stalling yes/no as people have different interpretations of stalling. So who is going to make the call to mark someone as a staller?

Would we be able to change anything? I highly doubt it. The easiest way would be to change the system of calculating ladder ratings but that's not going to happen as i think Fizzer already said multiple times in the past.

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i hate stallers

cheers

Tranquex i was serious in the way, that i wonder if people still consider stalling a problem. Lynx for example clearly doesn't and even supports it by defending stallers.

Stalling pisses me off that's also why i made this thread... I agree that public shaming is the only weapon we got to fight stalling, but it's rendered completely useless if a group of people agrees with each other, that it's no big deal.

I'd like to see another way to fight stalling in a way edge suggests, but it's really too much of an effort and everyone might learn after people tell him it's the wrong thing to do. I also used two accounts as a kid on the ladder and stopped due to people telling me to stop and shaming...

Stalling is clearly bad sportsmanship, and I don't understand how people could think otherwise. When people come in and say it's not against the rules (which it isn't) or that the system encourages it (which it does) they are missing the point completely. It is possible for something to be legal and beneficial to oneself, yet still be morally wrong. There are countless examples in the real world.

Regarding stalling on the ladders in this game, the crux of the issue is that if you stall, you have decided that your outcomes on the ladder are more important than your opponent's. If you are stalling to inflate your rating during a run, you are artificially deflating your opponent's rating during that same time you are stalling (not to mention denying them the opportunity to start playing their next game). If you stall during the seasonal ladder to get a better matchup, you are keeping your rating up and deflating your opponent to deny them the opportunity to get that benefit which they have earned by beating you.

Other people doing the same thing doesn't justify it. They are acting badly. If you do so you are acting badly as well.

Exactly what Beren said.

If you stall during the seasonal ladder to get a better matchup, you are keeping your rating up and deflating your opponent to deny them the opportunity to get that benefit which they have earned by beating you.

Which make games like these even more cringey: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=19987171

That game was the reason i wondered if people who don't care about stalling even know how the ladder works...

Also, thank you very much for the well worded out explanation beren.

I'm absolutely on your side. The least other way we could do to fight stalling is if clans are coming together and joining forces and refuse to take in staller into their clans. Especially if some of the well known and most respected clans of the side come together to put some importance into that topic. We're doing that anyways and i know other clans refusing tolet stallers join there clans as well.

For some it might just be a symbolic act than a real action to fight stalling, but it would be at least something. And i've never seen something like that before.

Let's say we all put in the words: "NO room for stallers!" or something into the clans tagline.

Obviously some clans wouldn't be interested in it and would still allow stallers to join their clans. Would these clans even benefit from it? Maybe they would, maybe not more than they do anyways. Would it prevent people from stalling. Maybe yes and maybe no. But if there are some respected clans taking part in it it might be a reason for some players to think about it, if they want to join one of these clans in the longterm.

So yeah that's a symbolic act that we could do, but again doing it alone of with a handful of clans won't be successful. If we're getting the support of the majority of the active clans, it might be worth a try.

But yeah if u want to really use actions against it, public shaming is unfortunately the only thing that realistically is possible. And not only shaming. As u said in your game with JoJo and as Beren stated here. If u want to fight it you also have to explain it. Explain the effects that these actions have on other players, too. Inform players about the problem, just as it is done here so they start to think about their actions and maybe change themselves.

Edited 11/11/2019 16:43:56

Huhhh!

I though Lynx reformed and was against stalling seeing how Krunx was complaining about Avengers stalling in CL. Guess rules don't apply to Lynx/101st and who was stalling? If it is in Seasonal I think it is against rules and punishable.

Stalling will never be solved by forum post, shaming, or outright blocking players from clans and events. At most it works as a deterrent. The only one that can solve this is fizzer, so we know it's not ever gonna be solved.

Stalling is obviously bad, and everyone can deal with it as they see fit, but the question doesn't have an answer.

Lynx obviously isn't gonna punish JoJo, if they even acknowledge it at all, because their leadership is guilty of the same thing.

@mayo

Rules only cover forced finishes.

I don't get why the whole Lynx clan gets called out. Jo Jo didn't consult it with the other 36 Lynx members. Some people in Lynx tolerate it, some don't, everyone has their own brain.

Anyway this thread is pure gold.

I though Lynx reformed and was against stalling seeing how Krunx was complaining about Avengers stalling in CL

Dude everyone was complaining about Avengers playing to elimination and holding up the entire event, not just krunx.

Let's say we all put in the words: "NO room for stallers!" or something into the clans tagline.

I remember Masters had something like that, then half of them got punished/banned from CL for cheating. Along with Deadman and Beren who invented these rules themselves. Hypocrisy level over 9000.

Cowboy nuked his rating on MDL by mass booting which then allowed him to beat Deadman's record of 25 wins in a row, because he was getting opponents way below his level.

Too bad that Platinum didnt post anything yet. I loved how he cried for 2 years that someone spied Outlaws Skype chat and then he started spying Lynx Discord himself.

Every anti-staller here is so crystal clear lmao.

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The issue of Jo Jo stalling (a single game so far) could be easily solved by a normal talk between concerned people instead of starting this circus on the forum.

Well Rento i talked to him, receiving an answer i didn't like

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20056133

I also get the strong impression Alexclusive is stalling whatever ladder he plays whenever he plays, i can also look for a few 1vs1 ladder games if you like

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=19987174

And you are defending everyone who stalls, pointing the finger on the oh so bad incident where 4(?) masters got banned from cl after having discussed the moves of an account that booted. Please stay on topic and explain what your stance on getting stalled is, just assuming you're on the receiving end for once

I am defending stalling in 99% of cases because in 99% of cases the accusations are bullshit, like in that Pardon vs alex game you just posted. A single 3d turn makes you a staller today?

Maybe if people weren't throwing baseless accusations around, more people would still care, don't you think?

If you shout "staller!" after a single slow turn like in your example, you're not a bright person in my eyes.

If only there was a way to address the stalling "issue" with a combination of shorter per-day turns and a larger single block of banked time.

Until the Uservoice for this gets created, and all of the complicated coding to establish a banked boot system gets implimented, we are stuck with the grave injustice of people drawing out clearly lost games to influence rankings and falsely claim that they are the greatest player in warlight.

Rento you say it's only 3 days. Perfectly right. But with 17 vs 25 income with absolutely no hope that's plenty reason for me to shout staller. It's equal to one more good matchup, of which alex got plenty despite having won only 4 games. If it was 4 wins and 1 loss that next matchup will be substantially weaker. It's a complete abuse of the rating system and you know it perfectly well, otherwise you're not a bright person in my eyes.

Btw, since you like to dig out old stuff. It's nothing new you support stalling. Love that gamechat. Fits you lynx. Oh and congrats on winning the seasonal! Glorious achievement. You even pretend to be lenient despite having bagged the season at the point you decide you don't need to stall till the bitter end and win anyways

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=14305126

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No I don't care about "1 turn stalling" or "1 day stalling" like what you once saw on 2v2 ladder. You completely devalued the impact of this word. Don't expect everyone to tip-toe around you, calculating if they are allowed to PLAY a GAME for 1 more turn without some idiot creating a forum thread about this.

Like I said, if people weren't throwing baseless accusations around, more people would still care.

Are my accusations baseless in your view?

Mod you're an idiot. I had that seasonal in the bag before that game even started.

I thought I put the petty bickering to an end, but perhaps my sarcasm was a bit heavy.

Do what you want, its not against the rules to take as long as you want on every single turn.

The mechanisms are in place to prohibit people drawing out games unnecessarily. Fizzer doesn't put them in for a reason.

Yeah this discussion won't lead to anything.

Mod expects people to closely monitor all their games, fog or not, and surrender at the exact moment your chances reach 0. Not a single day later. You're obligated to know the exact moment. That's how he plays the game for fun. For me it's a symptom of some mental disorder.

I'm not trying to be a dick now, if that's your definition of fun then something is wrong with you.

And with me too because I keep responding to these threads.