Rento if you want me to make a compilation of all the games alex obviously stalled i can create one for you. I don't think he's too stupid to realize when a game is over at all. You can try to talk around it and defend stalling all you want, the community knows pretty well who's right or not. Also, insulting me doesn't prove your point.

And here we will keep disagreeing, because I don't think that anyone apart from you and a few other elitists cares about "1 turn stalling" and I don't think the community will agree with you either.

Yes I remember the ancient times when stalling was a real problem. But then people like you came, kept devaluating the word until we ended with 1 turn stalling which I just don't accept as a real thing.

I was just providing the most recent incident cause old stuff like clan league 8 isn't very exciting anymore.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=19379065

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=19385190

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=19495520

These are from alex last 1vs1 ladder run. Since it's not very convenient to cheat as subltile on the 1vs1 ladder as the seasonal it's probably obvious enough for you here. I don't care in the least if most other people take another 3 days even if i think it's shabby, i'd never create a thread. But if it's always the same usual suspect and his group of followers that are corrupting the mindset of fairness on the ladders, then i got a problem with it.

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@Cowboy: oh! thought it was suited for entire season;

@Rento:

Dude everyone was complaining about Avengers playing to elimination and holding up the entire event, not just krunx.

I know you like to cover up things, like you tried to cover up the FCC account swap issue when I brought it in discord and can you list who are all the "everyone" who complained? Players who go awol leave no option for teams to wait on them and I think it is common across all divisions; few games Blitz played with AI and Master Turtle came back(though he again booted) and I don't remember anyone complaining in forum or wz discord at that time.

Idk if "everyone" was complaining to TBest and the panels, but will be good to know that too. As soon as topic was brought up in forums I made sub for the time the vacation in that game was ending so the League isn't held back. If I had started complaining about how krunx forgot all about Lynx/101st stalling and suddenly got enlightenment on anti-stalling like how you're doing now, I could've delayed Q1 a lot like how the updates for Q1 was delayed.

@Santa: Gib mi presents xD
It was about to be added as a rule to not "Stall" in ladder games as it manipulates ratings and ranks; players stalling is common thing, but when it comes to manipulation of ratings one can actually get the trophy without actually winning against highest rated players. But due to not able to "define stalling" it wasn't added exactly.

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And why should I care whether alex stalled his 12th game on 1v1 ladder or not? How would it help him? Whom would it hurt? You don't get ranked until 20 games. So no I don't care about it either. What are you gonna find next, stalled auto games?

You will just keep posting any nonsense you find as long as it's this one clan you don't like. Like some machine that was programmed to do just 1 thing, repeat and repeat. This tribalism is insane.

Well if he had the skills to not lose 5 games before his 20th game i'm sure you know the result of that. Sadly he just lost too badly before he came even close to winning 20 games. At least everyone can see now what clan to join to have a save heaven for stalling. You're doing a good job. Role model rento.

Yes, but stalling would be next to impossible to prove.

The mods have enough problems ferreting out multi-account abusers, let alone punishing someone from taking too long (but not long enough to get booted) on different turns.

Its a slippery slope.

First, we start enforcing 'stalling' and someone has wins reversed in a Ladder Season because of some subjective rule interpretation of whether or not someone was stalling.

Next thing you know, Fizzer will be taking away seasonal trophies because someone manipulates end-of-season tie-breaking mechanics. Despite not breaking any rules, they will have their title stripped because someone didn't like it and the losing player didn't know how the game worked and didn't do enough to prevent losing due to the tie-breaking mechanics.

@Fairplay, you're on the naughty list.

The issue of Jo Jo stalling (a single game so far) could be easily solved by a normal talk between concerned people instead of starting this circus on the forum.

Lynx (and scumbag rak) were explaining him how to get an advantage by stalling on the seasonal. Could be easily solved by telling him not to fuck over other people to gain something for himself.

Why do I keep responding to these threads...

Honestly of all anti-stallers who wrote here so far, only Edge is clean enough to point fingers at others. Other people are just... I lack words.
Fairplay Boy excusing stalling in CL but criticising stalling elsewhere tops it all.

I'm out.

Santa claus you're right, it's impossible to prove stalling. All we have is common sense and the shaming option from the community. Since a few individuals are only looking at their own benefit this practise gets rendered useless by them.
'Is it ok since everyone can do it?' should be answered clearly with a NO!

@ Rento

Please let me out of your argument. I don't care about that seasonal game, but those other games are crystal clear cases.

I have never cheated or stalled and I was reading this. You did not mention me being clean. Please apologize.

Lynx (and scumbag rak) were explaining him how to get an advantage by stalling on the seasonal. Could be easily solved by telling him not to fuck over other people to gain something for himself.

@Farah: Just like after that CL11 case, I'm confident an ethics panel would rule me almost innocent in this matter.

I'm confident an ethics panel would rule me almost innocent

You're French, you're guilty.

I can't believe no one shot down my slippery slope argument yet...

I have little history with any of the commenters here, so I believe that I have no reason to be biased in favor of one side or the other.

And why should I care whether alex stalled his 12th game on 1v1 ladder or not? How would it help him? Whom would it hurt? You don't get ranked until 20 games.

If he actually won the other 8 games he could easily stall the "12th" game to end after 20 wins by just playing until elimination while taking his usual 3 day turns. Just because it's not one of his last 5 doesn't mean there's no potential benefit to stalling. I'm sure an intelligent person like yourself could have easily figured that out, but you choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit you argument. While I agree with the general consensus that "stalling" one turn for 3 days, as in the one example you addressed, is not too egregious, the other cases that you ignored are pretty clear cut. It is obvious that you guys really have no issue with the practice of stalling, and in fact encourage it as a valid strategy.

@Santa Claus
No one is saying that we should revoke wins or trophies based on stalling and other allowed but unethical behavior. Instead, it is something that should be frowned upon by the community. MoD here is doing just that - calling out a player and his clan for participating in this despicable practice.

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Based on the personal enjoyment of the drama created from stalling I'd have to say it is a very Gud thing indeed.

i'm clean too, that was rude of you rento for not mentioning me

DrApe, like I said, I don't care about stalling unimportant ladder games just like I don't care about stalling random auto games. You're saying he could've stalled until elimination. Did he stall until elimination? No.

We're getting deeper and deeper into the nonsense territory, with "he could have stalled until elimination even though he didnt".

You're saying he could've stalled until elimination. Did he stall until elimination? No.

No, he did not, simply because he was losing all his other games as well. He only surrendered at the time he did because there was no longer a chance at getting first. I'm quite certain that if he was winning his other games he would have stalled out until elimination to get his fake trophy. A failed attempt to manipulate his ladder rank is no less abominable than a successful one.