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The player THE AWESOME OTTERYCAT played for the clan {101st} in CL10 and then for the clan ILLUMINATI in CL11. How is this player allowed to play for {101st} in CL12? Isn't this in direct violation of this rule: "If a player played for Clan X in CL 9 and moved to clan Y in CL 10, then they can not represent Clan X in CL 11. This rule is meant to stop free movement of players and restrict the advantages gained via allied clans (For ex - FakeNamePlayer for Masters/Apex, Lynx/101st, Masters/Apprentice, GG/GGr etc)." Why is the Clan League panel itself breaking the rules and why is this even allowed?

Every player must be in the clan they represent on the start date of CL 12.
If a player played for Clan X in CL 9 and moved to clan Y in CL 10, then they can not represent Clan X in CL 11. This rule is meant to stop free movement of players and restrict the advantages gained via allied clans (For ex - FakeNamePlayer for Masters/Apex, Lynx/101st, Masters/Apprentice, GG/GGr etc).
Note : This rule was tweaked from CL 10 rules. The extra waiting time was reduced from 2 to 1 CL.

that is what the rules state^^^^

@En, I looked at CL 10, 11, and 12 forum threads and you are correct. But, Illuminati merged with 101st last CL and became one clan DURING the Clan League. OTTERYCAT moved to 101st well before the start of the next clan league.

We're looking into this. Give us a day or two to get a response. Thanks for the report!

According to rules and clarification in CL chat (about half a year ago, if I recall correctly) :

It is allowed to do such stuff, if you clan does not play in CL.

If you want me or others to spend time on such stuff, go on, but I am pretty sure this is what was stated in a discord discussion by CL officials.

If you could look that up to verify, that would be helpful

Rules:

Clan movement/ representation
Every player must be in the clan they represent on the start date of CL 12.
If a player played for Clan X in CL 9 and moved to clan Y in CL 10, then they can not represent Clan X in CL 11. This rule is meant to stop free movement of players and restrict the advantages gained via allied clans (For ex - FakeNamePlayer for Masters/Apex, Lynx/101st, Masters/Apprentice, GG/GGr etc). The only exception to this rule is if Clan X drops out of the Clan League.
Note : This rule was tweaked from CL 10 rules. The extra waiting time was reduced from 2 to 1 CL.

Obviously it should state, if Clan Y drops out of the CL, as the current wording does not make any sense since you can't play for a clan, which drops out of CL.

This was an oversight on my part. Ottery hasn't played for {101st} since the qualifier of CL10, which was a long time off.

The original rule stated that players in clans like Turtles (who was the main clan that was dropping out), should be allowed to return to turtles if turtles returned, so the rule was created to prevent players from having their hands tied in that scenario.

I have since updated the rules to reflect the old rule, as I already had a conversation with the ethics panel months ago:

"The only exception to this rule is if Clan X drops out of the Clan League."

The problem still stands, that X would be 101st and not Illuminati, so while I don't have any particular issue with it, this is something that the ethics panel should review.

I would like to apologize for missing this detail as it is my responsibility to remember this stuff, and I hope that the ethics panel will come up with a solution that does not negatively affect competition in CL.

-Cowboy

But, Illuminati merged with 101st last CL and became one clan DURING the Clan League. OTTERYCAT moved to 101st well before the start of the next clan league.

If only 101st had joined Illuminati and not the other way around :D {But really thru, that would have worked per CL rules, as Otterycat would have stayed in Illuminati.}

No wonder we have played "THE AWESOME OTTERYCAT" 3 Cls in a row. According to the rule it seems like its been broken, but ye its up to the panel.
I for my clans view think that he must be removed from clot due this and 101 needs to sub in a new player for the new game. As a clan they have gotten all the rules way ahead of time and they should have read them? So some sort of punishment, as losing their ongoing games would be fair? (as he was allowed to play and even if one surrenders, one can become ai. Losing the game would be punishment enough?). Just as any rule breaking this would been solved the same way, right? If a clan have a player booted they would most likely lose the game(not necessary) and thus subbed their player out. As for the player himself i dont know if there is supposed to be a punishment for this in itself(again something the ethics panel have to decide).

note, just wording my thoughts here on what would be logically to me. For my clan and the clan league as a whole id want some kind of punishment be made.

Last time i checked the rules in the spreadsheet on 23rd December there was no exception in this rule. I dont really like that the rules are changed after they are published once.. Going with the initial rules that have been the current at clan registration point (the time when the clans should have read and commited to the rules with their registration) there is no way around a punishment actually.

23rd Dec version


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You 2 seem pretty biased though from my point of view. Me being punished as you've suggested would directly benefit your clan. I seriously doubt you would seek such punishment if it was someone from Hawks instead of 101st.

From my interpretation of the rules what I and 101st have done as a clan is totally in the parameters of the rules. (Refernce sections, Criteria for claiming a clans spot AND Clan movement/representation)

-Otterycat

Edited 1/27/2020 00:15:01

Rules are not biased.

Rules may not be biased but players are...

Anyways I will shut up and wait for the decision of the Ethics panel.

Edited 1/26/2020 23:14:21

The main problem is the rules are based off an older version of CL (CL9), as the rules decided on for CL10 were on the CLOT and not on an actual spreadsheet, so things that were updated in CL10 may not have carried over when the sheet did in CL11. Frankly I should have went over the rules more clearly, BUT, I had so many particular changes to be made, it's not surprising I missed some things. I do not think you can blame the players following rules that were made out more clearly in previous leagues.

From Clan League 10 discord :





Full List of CL10 Rules

https://web.archive.org/web/20180928130704/http://clan-league.westus.cloudapp.azure.com/rules

Edited 1/27/2020 00:04:08

I've stated this to the CL panel before, but in my opinion, the issue that needs ruling is the following:

- In Clan League season 10 there was a rule. It read as follows:

"If a player is present on Clan X’s roster in a given season, and decides to leave clan X to play for another Clan Y. This player cannot play for Clan X again for another 2 seasons. The only exception to this rule is if Clan X drops out of the Clan League."

This last sentence of this rule was present in Clan League 10, but was omitted in Clan League 11 and 12. The question the boils down to to whether an omitted rule is still an active one. If it's considered to still be the rule, we can run into a problem:
Do the rules of all seasons of CL still apply if they were silently omitted? That would cause some trouble.


Now, some people raised the issue about the writing of the rule and it missing its intention.
The updated version reduces the "This player cannot play for Clan X again for another 2 seasons" to a single season.
As not everyone knows the intent of the rule: it was designed so that "feeder clans" would benefit from players freely moving between their main clan and feeder clan. Think of Lynx players moving to 101st for a season, or Masters players moving to Apprentice for a season and the player returning to the main clan after the season is finished to play for their main clan. As it's not possible to define what a "feeder clan" is, this rule came into its existence. People argued that having Clan X dropping out should not allow a player to return to Clan Y.
So let's assume the following (and this is only for illustrative purposes, no namecalling):
Clan X = Lynx (Main clan)
Clan Y = Blitz (Feeder clan)
It's season 10. The player 'Jeffernub' plays for Lynx (X).
In season 11, 'Jeffernub' goes to Blitz (Y) to play for them. He is now unable to play for Lynx (X) for one season. So, in season 12, he can not play for Lynx (X) for one season, unless they drop out of CL.
With our current mechanics, a clan dropping out of CL has to start from the bottom. There is no advantage to be gained by going against the intent of this rule, as you can't get an advantage out of it.

It wasn't only for that reason. It was also to prevent people like Miyagi who were in both Masters and apex from being able to choose which clan to play for based on which clan needed them more. We didn't allow players to rejoin an old clan just because their new clan wasn't competing because we didn't want there to be a situation where people were feeling under pressure not to compete just so that the player(s) could go back to their old clan and compete.

Edited 1/27/2020 00:06:38

I would also like to ask that any personal insults not be included.