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The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 03:05:07


Taylor Amber Mason
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36%.

Trump says it's not that bad.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 03:21:30


The Cruelest
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He is more popular today than on election day by 8 points. An 8 point swing would give him the popular vote by a landslide and cut Hillary's electoral votes in half.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

Edited 7/17/2017 03:22:49
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 03:34:26


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Any Republican other than Trump would have crushed Clinton. Any Democrat other than Clinton (Sanders is a maybe) would have smashed Trump.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 04:12:07

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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Heil Trump!
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 04:30:55


Taylor Amber Mason
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He is more popular today than on election day by 8 points.


This is false. You are getting some bad information or twisting facts or not understanding what you're reading or all of the above.

His approval rating today is significantly worse than when he was elected and worse than it's ever been.
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The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 05:15:49


Wulfhere
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back to plebbit with ad populum

nobody cares what a bunch of feral urban degenerates think, that's why we have the electoral college
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 08:55:57


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Let's quickly go over the facts, because the statements in the topic here are quite inaccurate (i.e. they are completely wrong).

Both Wally TAM and Cruelest are not correct: check that link of The Cruelest again and do it properly now. Trumps approval rating was about the same when he was elected, it has been in the 30s during pretty much the whole campaign.

Only AFTER the election and until just after the inauguration, it jumped to above 40% for a while (this is a typical newly elected presidential effect). It was likely never 50% with only very few polls, likely outliers, showing this result while others remained in the low 40s meaning the true favorability was likely in the mid 40s at its top.

At this moment, the approval rating is somewhere between 30% and 50% with consensus pointing towards the high 30s. One individul poll may show 36%, but polls typically have a margin of error of several points.

The statement worst ever is completely wrong. Most presidents actually had worst approval at one point and almost all approached it! An overview:
Obama end of 2014: ~40%
George W Bush end of second term: ~25%
Clinton halfway first year: ~35% (around this same point!)
George HW Bush last year: ~30%
Reagan beginning of 1983: ~35%
Carter much of 1979: ~30%
Ford most of his first year: 35-40%
Nixon's last year: 25-30%
Johnson 1968: 35-40%
Truman's last 2 years: 25-30%

Even at this point in the presidency, Clinton scored about as bad as Trump and he got a second term.

Additionally, even if Trump was more popular at the elections, that is no guarantee of a landslide at all. There is a correlation between approval and vote margins, but partisanship and other factors play an important role as well. With how divisive Trump is and the high amount of people who rather disapprove but still voted for him already, it likely wouldn't have made much of a difference.

What Sportsannouncer31024 says, is also a general consensus, but one based on polls. Other candidates would have needed to go through the election process and would have been more damaged because of it, while they could remain more "clean" now. Kasish might not have hurt Clinton as much as Trump did while Cruz might have pushed moderates her way, leading to a Clinton win for example. Other democrats may have wilted under Trump's pressure during debates and be punished for that at the election. So you cannot put your version as conditional facts. It is correct (based on some data) that it was to be expected, or that we can assume, or that there's high probability of what you describe, but it's not conditionally certain.
Also, in polls Sanders typically had the best margins vs. Trump, so why would you exclude him? Prejudice, taking other factors into account? Guessing?
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 09:24:14

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Trump is a little man.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 12:50:09


Emperor Justinian
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Popular vote should decide the president! Look at these great people! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp6PKA_QXQ8&index=49&list=PLa8S4GilqogQRwblg-wi17_-z5jhPuxVV&t=13s
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 13:04:52


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Despite the fact that the premise of this thread is verifiably false, at least the OP is able to admit that Trump is the president.

Small steps.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 13:48:05


OxTheAutist 
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Justinian would you consider yourself to be clever?
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 13:55:04


Emperor Justinian
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That depends on the situation.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 15:11:05


The Cruelest
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Single transferable vote is for intelligent autists. First-past the post is for babbling plebians.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 15:44:58


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Thanks for the breakdown Math Wolf.

I would be very interested to see his numbers AFTER the Russia investigation is completed by Muller (whatever the outcome). I think that will be key.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 15:55:09


Emperor Justinian
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^Why? You think he might have the popular vote?
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 16:18:21


ChrisCMU 
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No. I just think it will be interesting to see how his supporters will react. Will they start to flee (if they find out he knew about the meetings and lied)? Or perhaps they won't find a trail to Trump on the story and it will embolden the GOP base to get behind him on his "witch hunt"
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 16:32:48


Emperor Justinian
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Sorry I mocked you, I did not notice you wrote whatever the outcome.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 16:39:42


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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This thread is too American and therefore boring. Who cares abou aproval ratings of plebs if only Republicans in the Senate can remove the President?
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 16:57:19


Varg Vikernes Did Nothing Wrong
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He gets roasted by the butthurt corporate hate media every day. It's a notch in Trump's favor that his approval rating isn't even lower.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 20:57:13


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I give the thread itself 7.5/10. I give OP 2/10. Gj off topic forum, making papa proud.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 22:10:52


The Cruelest
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@Chris

>Implying the investigation will ever end.
>Implying the MSM won't dig until they hit bedrock and then keep digging.
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 23:06:14


Wulfhere
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The Trump "scandals" were dreamed up by the Democratic party and their propaganda wing to get moderate Republicans to abandon Donald Trump.

Edited 7/17/2017 23:18:21
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 23:25:48


Padraig
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If we wish to fairly evaluate the assertion of the OP it is helpful compare like things.

Consider the polling data that has been published by the Gallop organization. On 20 April 2017 Business Insider published an article on what were then the most recent data from the Gallop organization. The substance of the article was the average job approval data for the first quarter of the first year of all Presidents of the post world war two period.

The results for average job approval over the first quarter were as follows, from highest to lowest:

John Kennedy 74%
Dwight Eisenhower 71%
Jimmy Carter 69%
Barack Obama 63%
Richard Nixon 62%
Ronald Reagan 60%
George W. Bush 58%
George H.W. Bush 57%
Bill Clinton 55%
Donald Trump 41%

Link to the original article: http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-approval-rating-gallup-history-2017-4

In the posting of the Gallop data at their website further light is cast on the attitudes toward the current American President.

Trump won election using a campaign that flouted norms of political decorum and relied heavily on social media to spread his, at times, controversial messages. His unconventional style suggested his presidency would be like nothing seen before. And that has been true, but likely not in the way he or his supporters hoped -- with no honeymoon period to speak of and approval ratings far worse than any president has received this early in his tenure. On his best day, less than half of Americans, 46%, have approved of the job Trump is doing.


What it comes down to is this, President Trump is less popular than any President of the post war era, for the period of his first quarter.

Link to the Gallop article: http://www.gallup.com/poll/208778/trump-job-approval-first-quarter-lowest-points.aspx
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/17/2017 23:28:59


Padraig
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"The Trump "scandals" were dreamed up by the Democratic party and their propaganda wing to get moderate Republicans to abandon Donald Trump." - Wulfhere

I am not convinced that the President ever had or will receive enthusiastic support amongst moderate Republicans.

Edited 7/19/2017 21:58:08
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The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/18/2017 14:33:48


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A moderate comes in and posts nothing but pure statistics, and TAM accuses him of cherry picking.

The partisan tribalism is strong with this one.
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The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/19/2017 06:21:53


Padraig
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Well lots of folks like to cherry pick data that they find congenial.

President Trump is one of these folks.

Dhrumil Mehta posted a brief discussion of the President's announcement of a recent Rasmussen poll showing a fifty percent approval.

Link: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-art-of-cherry-picking-polls/
The worst approval rating of any president ever.: 7/19/2017 08:41:49


Wulfhere
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such butthurt
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