Not using 3v3 europe because it is the most demanding temp skill wise according to you, is such an odd argument since cl is about determining the best strategy clan, so if it really is the most demanding temp it should always be a chosen template.

Also what does unfair mean here? as i understand what your saying it means masters are dominating and that's not unfair that is just because they are the best. Cl is a competition and i think it would beneficial if it stayed that way, and if there was temps not chosen because of the skill needed to play them, i dont see how cl really is a competition anymore

Edited 6/7/2017 16:21:02

I think we should have lotto maps for CL10 - then everyone will have a chance to win!

+1 to suggestion of a clan fielding 2 teams in the league.

For example, if MH or Hydra makes a second team-it will still be better than some clans(from CL performance-say Dark lords or Olympus, not being rude to them/offensive towards them). This will help all clan members to have fun during clan league competition and may help many to improve if they're playing in such events.

Remove EU and replace with... what exactly? We already have a lame template as the secondary 3v3, do we really need to open up another slot for a possibility of Great Lakes 2.0?

I think there was some discussion over having rotating templates - this is especially useful for 1v1s with so many possible templates, lots on ME/MME - but I'm not sure if it applied to 3v3 due to a.) EU being the most popular 3v3 template in CL and b.) not enough good 3v3 templates to choose from. Africa and India were made by Division A clans and tested by Division A clans (I assume for the sole purpose of having more choices for 3v3 templates in CL), so I can agree with the "experience" factor really being prominent in those templates.

If either Africa or India got in (which I would've preferred over RoR), then you could make that argument. But there are already many people who at least have some grasp over EU - there are so many avenues you can take to learn the template. So, I don't buy into the "experience" factor for EU.

This is a very interesting topic with important questions and very good proposals, and many of these issues are not only dedicated to the CL but other competitive events too!

Unfortunatelly, I don't have enough time to write my ideas now so only a quick jaunty reaction ;)

As things stand right now, Masters have the strongest bunch of players, maybe 8 of the 10 best currently active players on WL

I am the only one who feel that this is a strong exaggeration? :O

They have lost only 9 (!) games in division A, and nothing prevents them from recruiting the best assets of other clans and further their domination in the next 10 CL's. Is this what we want ?

My answer is: absolutelly no!
So we need an Antitrust Law againts Masters! Lets divide them 2 or more parts! Truth to the CL community!

Anyway, I think MotD is the real sinner, he run the CL for his own clan, which is dominated the CL (and find out why ONE! run so good? yes, the other sinner is Beren!).
To continue, he did a ladder for himself, MDL is totally dominated by MotD...
Lets bisect him as well! :P

Jokes aside (yes, they were jokes, except we really bisect MotD, Mo and tD would be much better imo ), I totally agree with Aura Guradian: "nothing lasts forever"

And keep the good work guys, the CL never was so interesting and professional than now!

And keep the good work guys, the CL never was so interesting and professional than now!

^ I guess this should be said more often.

When nobody mentions you are doing a bad job. You are usually doing a good job.

I don't understand the argument that limiting templates (btw, we already reduced it by 1 template a couple seasons ago to promote depth), will mean more players CAN play in the CL. Clans can already use 18 players if they want to. Nobody is forcing them to slot people at 3 templates now, they are choosing to.


I agree that less templates allowed means more players MUST play. Is that a good thing? Not sure. If you look at WG, it just means we'll have to add more players from somewhere. That isn't a huge deal, as we are always looking for up and coming talent.

The flip side is that if you have a smaller but really good clan (WM, Apex, 20 in the past), you won't get enough players and you will probably just kill that clan entirely. If the 3-4 still active players want to play in the CL, they will be forced to go somewhere else to play. In past seasons, they just recruited more (like Apex grabbing timon or Beren) to have enough to cover a couple inactive people. But if you force them to add 5-6 new players, then they may just fold at that point. Do you want to kill off clans for the sake of forcing depth?

As it was pointed out, most clans use whatever depth they have already, so why force it? WG has always used everyone who wanted to play. I know GG always has as well. This seems like you are trying to fix something that is not broken.

Masters fielded everyone who wanted to play. ONE, turtles and blitz as well. I don't know about french and lynx for sure, but i think they also used everyone who wanted to play. Out of the A clans everyone except outlaws seems to have fielded all players available.

Also, i'd like to mention that masters don't poach every player we would like to see with us :D not sure if not informed or just jealous. What i know is, that big clans won't benefit from a max 2 tournament/player rule, cause guess where the players the "elite clans" are missing would come from ;)

Also, i'd like to mention that masters don't poach every player we would like to see with us

Only poaching (trying to) some of them?

What i know is, that big clans won't benefit from a max 2 tournament/player rule, cause guess where the players the "elite clans" are missing would come from ;)

Hmmm, so for Masters that would be Apprentice, right?

EDIT: Anyway, I think there are good arguments on both sides here.

Edited 6/8/2017 20:11:22

I think 3 slots per player are fine. If you want to award depth, it could be an idea to shorten the duration of clan league and allow to use 2 players per slot so they have less games and can focus on the ones they have.

Yeah current max of 3 slots per player isn't really a problem. I only wanted to jump on WG. :P

That said, TBest's talk about clans' second team reminded me of Developmental League back from CL7. It was a 6-clan (that's how many turned up on it) competition with less tournaments, played on Clan League templates, by CL clans, with players that were not in the main roster playing in A/B/C/D1/D2. Maybe it would be a nice idea to come back to? I think it could as well contain clans too 'small' to join "main" CL but not sure how many could be crammed into one division.

Tbest the only master i can remember we poached was pardon. You can claim we are so super bad guys, but it's a fact that we are just more attractive as a strategic clan than others, so not really surprising people ask us to join.

About the question of where players would come from if elite clans would have to recruit i wasn't talking about masters cause we got enough members. Also we let apprentice be a clan on their own and don't poach from them. We just give them the option to play and learn with top players and don't need them to feed us. Again i think you are misinformed or just salty. I guess i can take it as compliment

Pardon was double-poached :P.

I dont see a problem with taking rising players from other clans. Why should anyone have a problem with that?

If someone is vastly better than most of their clan (i am not referring to anyone in particular here), dont you want them to be in a clan with people who compliment their playstyle? It is like getting mad at a professional athelete that plays for years on a bad team and moves on in free agency.

Of course that clan could get better as well and rise to their level, but you cant be mad at the destination clan for recognizing talent. Most great clans on here are not like [20], which was great players coming together at once. Most are people who are similar and pretty good forming up and growing as a group. Masters did it that way, so did WG. We added a few people along the way that were already good if course, because people go inactive.

Most of their acquisitions were great players who were in clans that kindof folded. Dont hate on them for that.

Edited 6/9/2017 04:43:27

@MoD

Again i think you are misinformed or just salty. I guess i can take it as compliment

Afraid you are the misinformed one here. This is getting off-topic through, but talk to your clan mates as I believe I talked with one of them before. For me it's a thing of the past, but if you want to, just dm me. As I told him, it's not really the unsuccessful poaching attempts that bother me. It just bothers me that you say Masters are not poaching. Obviously I don't know how many masters have tried to poach, nor do I care. This is not about masters specifically, but poaching in general.

@Chirs

I dont see a problem with taking rising players from other clans. Why should anyone have a problem with that?

That is an extremely selfish view. Quite obviously you are taking a player from another clan. And quite obviously that is not well received. Poaching is not about someone leaving a clan, and joining another. It is about trying to recruit someone who originally had no intention of leaving.

It is like getting mad at a professional athlete that plays for years on a bad team and moves on in free agency.

It's like being mad at (insert 'football rich team here') for buying all the good players from other clans. Quite often accused of 'ruining' the sport. Whether you agree with that argument or not is your choice.

Anyway, part of issues of CL has in the past been about what makes a clan a clan. I see the minimum players requirement as part of that issue/discussion that is unresolved. For example a 1 person clan is quite clearly not a clan. How many players is the minimum for being a clan is quite subjective. (Add into the mix of active/inactive and what that means too.) For me I think 10 players would be a minimum size and 2-9 I would view as a ust a group of friends.

Not that I am trying to throw WG out of CL. After all WG has 15 members.

Edited 6/9/2017 13:05:35

you sound like there is a gun hold to the heads of players that swich clans

It's like being mad at (insert 'football rich team here') for buying all the good players from other clans. Quite often accused of 'ruining' the sport. Whether you agree with that argument or not is your choice.

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is the reason you write the part of it being an indivdual chose "whether you agree with that argument"(sic) that you know that the analogy is very poor, so much that it is hard to even call it an analogy?

It is a quite common complaint that the rich football clubs buys all the talent from 'poorer' clubs. Some claims this benefits the individual players, while others claim this means that a smaller club will never be able to compete with the clubs backed by some rich prince from Qatar.

I find this a rather good analogy of poaching, as the concept is the same.

is the reason you write the part of it being an indivdual chose "whether you agree with that argument"(sic) that you know that the analogy is very poor, so much that it is hard to even call it an analogy?

I don't understand what you are saying here.

the hole argument whit the rich clubs are that they are rich and that theybuy all the players. so really its not same at all. if we compare wl to football, we are in the era before the rich clubs, the era that is implied to be the good age in this argument(normally)

Edited 6/9/2017 16:00:21

Warlight is a game. People are supposed to be having fun here. Why should anyone complain about someone moving to a new clan if they think it will enhance their experience playing this game?

Nobody forces someone to join GG or Masters or whatever "elite" clan. They choose to do it because they think it will improve their experience.

Of course I don't like it when someone leaves my clan go to another one, but how can I seriously complain about them doing what they think will make playing a game more fun for them?

This whole discussion seems a bit silly to me, and quite frankly is getting very off topic.

Edited 6/9/2017 15:59:17