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Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/11/2017 15:15:19


linberson 
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Ha, you are playing CL!
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/11/2017 18:29:05


Deadman 
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I just saw the following game on my games tab:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12891654

Why am I in this game, please? Our lineup is supposed to be 90 + Cluster + hobo.
As Edge mentioned, it was due to an incorrect link to Cluster's profile.
I've fixed that and cleaned up all the games allotted. They should have received new games as well.

Please ensure that your clan has the correct player links. Copy/paste errors are inevitable due to the sheer volume of data that was entered into the sheet.

Edited 2/11/2017 18:30:43
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/13/2017 00:16:36


Math Wolf 
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Predictions based on 89 respondents:
            1    2    3    4    5    6    7 mean   sd        
GG       83.1 10.1  3.4  0.0  0.0  3.4  0.0 1.34 0.99
Mhunters  9.0 40.4 25.8 14.6  5.6  2.2  2.2 2.83 1.30
WG        3.4 25.8 21.3 41.6  3.4  1.1  3.4 3.33 1.22
VS        2.2 18.0 38.2 24.7  7.9  7.9  1.1 3.46 1.23
Sninja    1.1  2.2  3.4 13.5 52.8 15.7 11.2 5.07 1.13
VIW       2.2  1.1  7.9  2.2 15.7 36.0 34.8 5.75 1.42
BIA       0.0  2.2  2.2  2.2 13.5 34.8 44.9 6.11 1.11

Not much that can be said about GG, right? Not even Masters got this many votes to win division A, so the respondents really seem convinced GG wins it and that promotions is safe (93.2%). If they don't promote, they either finish 3rd or ... 6th? (3 predictions each) So there's basically a 1 in 30 chance that they somehow fail all the way to relegation. Just remember that the liberal media gave Trump a smaller chance to the presidency. ;-)

For second place, it gets complicated. The difference between M'hunters and WG was not significant at the 5% level with a p-value of 9%. The difference for 3rd between WG and VS was not significant either. However, the difference between M'Hunters and VS is significant with a p-value of 0.9%. What does this tell us? The respondents are on average fairly confident that M'Hunters, WG and VS will finish 2nd to 4th, with the order to be determined, but M'Hunters significantly better than VS. This is also reflected in the predicted ranks, with M'Hunters taking most of the second place votes and cleaning up more than half of the first place votes not taken by GG. Still, just over half of the respondents (45 out of 89) predicted that M'Hunters would not promote, with 4 predicting relegation. This gives M'Hunters the largest variation in predictions among the (sub)top clans in this division.

WG gets some variable predictions as well, but focused on a few ranks: 2nd, 3rd and 4th. While they finish 3rd, although not significantly better than VS, their most predicted rank is 4th. It's important to notice though that just almost half of the respondents (44 of 89) predicted them in the top 3 with 29% predicting promotion with only 8% predicting them lower than 4th, including 4 respondents imagening relegation.

VS, contrary to WG finishes at rank 4 while receiving most votes on rank 3. The difference is obvious: 20% predicts promotion (compared to 29% WG) and 9% relegation (compared to 4.5% WG). So while they may be expected to be slightly better than WG by quite some respondents, it's clear that both their ceiling and floor are predicted to be lower than WG. Still, the difference is small and not significant here.

Sninja is pretty clear. More than half of the respondents predict them 5th with the others about equally split between better (inluding 3 respondents hinting at promotion) and worse (27% predict relegation). The difference with the clan behind them is significant.

VIW edges out BIA for 6th according to the predictions, but the difference for 6th between VIW and BIA is not significant. The clan splits the votes about equal between 7th, 6th and not relegating. The real difference with BIA is however that quite some respondents see VIW doing really well, with more than 10% predicting a top 3 finish. This high ceiling gives them the biggest variantion in predictions in this division. To avoid relagation, they'd have to beat a clan that is predicted to be significantly better than them though.

BIA ranks last in the prediction according to our panel of 89, but not significantly worse than VIW and with less than half of the votes putting them in this least favourable spot. Avoiding relegation altogether seems difficult though with only about 20% of the panel believing it's possible, most of those predicting 5th. Adding injury to insult, BIA is also the only clan in this division without any first place predictions.

Please see https://www.warlight.net/Forum/243545-cl-predictions-spreadsheet?Offset=79 for full methodology and other divisions.
- downvoted post by [IM]YouMustBeKidding
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/13/2017 11:01:00

hobo
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lol math wolf. all i gotta say to all that analysis is
there are lies, dam lies then there are statistics, lol
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/15/2017 17:16:09


Bigby 
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No votes for first?!?! WTH?!?!? Oh well, I guess considering we backdoored our way into "B" it's forgivable..... We're just happy to have been nominated *sniff-sniff* ;-)
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/15/2017 17:46:07


TBest 
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EDIT: Kidding put it in better words ;)

I can't remember if MathWolf asked for it or not, but it would be interesting to see the clans of the voters.

Edit: Thanks MoD, but I would love to see exact numbers. Although it may make it too little anonymous mayb :/

Edited 2/17/2017 02:38:07
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/15/2017 17:51:22


master of desaster 
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* Respondents were from 24 different clans, including 2 clans not participating in Clan League. 30 respondents, mostly anonymous, did not report a clan. Clans with at least 3 respondents include (in alphabetical order) 101st, Apprentice, Blitz, CORP, FCC, Hydra, Icelandic Turtles, Lynx, Masters, Outlaws, VS.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/15/2017 19:15:06


[IM]YouMustBeKidding
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I believe what TBest was asking for was more about how members of certain clans voted.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/15/2017 20:37:34


linberson 
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I voted MH 3rd.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/15/2017 23:28:43


Kaerox
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^
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/17/2017 05:59:31


ViralGoat 
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yeah, we're not getting 1st place, but I'm damn sure not getting last place either. We're getting 5th or 6th place. Maybe 4th if things go right.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/17/2017 07:21:44


Norman 
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My boys are complaining that BIA is mean. Apparently two of you guys ganged up on 90xxx in a tournament :(
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/17/2017 07:28:46


Corn Man 
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Norman - why don't you send in your Felidae downvote army to downvote all BIA posts ;)
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/18/2017 04:09:43


Motoki 
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Update #2 - February 17th:

Hello, fellow members of group B! I hope the first weeks of clan league have been going well for everyone! :) As of right now, only 1 game has finished.

Finished Games Link:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12843205 (BIA defeats VIW)

Congratulations to BIA for drawing first blood in Clan League 9: Division B!

BIA's 2v2 China team of Botanator and ViralGoat defeated the VIW team of Carlos Danger and AWOL Gls AJ. BIA was predicted to relegate by most of the voters so they must be glad that they can prove everyone wrong.

Current Standings:
Position     Clan                 Points     Max Points     Change In Position
1st          BIA                  4          240            ▲ 
2nd          GG                   0          240            =
2nd          MHunters             0          240            =
2nd          WG                   0          240            =
2nd          Sninja               0          240            =
2nd          VS                   0          240            =
7th          VIW                  0          236            ▼




Next update will be in a week, see you guys soon!
Best, Motoki

Edited 2/18/2017 04:20:15
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/18/2017 04:18:04


AWESOMEGUY 
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Suing you for copyright infringement.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/20/2017 23:24:17


Cloud Strife
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That's appropriately weird.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/21/2017 01:19:49


Deadman 
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That's appropriately weird.
Fixed.
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/21/2017 07:40:48

MIFRAN
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When will the 1v1´s begin?
Under "scores" it says GG won their game in Guiroma but it was in Final Earth.

Edited 2/21/2017 15:12:31
Clan League 9: Division B Official Thread: 2/22/2017 12:55:43


Math Wolf 
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A reply to some of the comments:
lol math wolf. all i gotta say to all that analysis is
there are lies, dam lies then there are statistics, lol

Knowing fully well the background and meaning of this quote, I can confidently say it's not appropriate to this context.

These are predictions, assumingly representative for the engaged Warlight public and as such a give a presumingly correct idea about what the Warlight public thinks. These results are not meant to convince anyone, prove a point or otherwise manipulate any demographic group.
Likewise, these results were reported in the most straightforward and unbiased way while taking great pains to highlighting every relevant aspect of them.

No votes for first?!?! WTH?!?!? Oh well, I guess considering we backdoored our way into "B" it's forgivable..... We're just happy to have been nominated *sniff-sniff* ;-)

I feel your pain! I'm very sorry I was the bearer of these bad tidings.

I can't remember if MathWolf asked for it or not, but it would be interesting to see the clans of the voters.

Edit: Thanks MoD, but I would love to see exact numbers. Although it may make it too little anonymous maybe :/

I can check at home. I do remember no clan had more than 7 members voting. I might do an analysis to check if clans ranked themselves higher. This is relatively complicated due to the small sample size per clan, but can be done with a random effects model. I'm not sure if such analysis would have much power.
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