You dont get more games in seasonal when you finish them faster. And I know farah and min both as very slow players ALL the time. Their position in seasonal make stalling pointless anyway so i highly doubt it is because of that. Besides they are both dutch as me and summer vacation just started here so min taking a vacation seems completely legit right now

It's stalling, it's not being slow. They're purposefully making a point to take their turn before they can get booted. Almost every time before they take their turn, it's at 2 days and 23 hours. I occasionally check their profile and they login to WarLight daily, several times sometimes. There's a difference between being slow and not taking your turn until the last second on purpose.

@Weeaboo Yep he sure is taking his time, that sneaky little min!

Yeah, i went on vacation to drag that game even longer. Not because im in Greece right now.

Filthy scum, you better watch your filthy mouth. This is Farah, he might now have a master dog tag, but he learned his fair play from the Miezekatze Hunters.

Once a Miezekatze Hunters, always a fair player: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10147864

Also you usually don't call it stalling if you are winning...

I don't see any stalling?

MisterT is averaging 16-hour turns, with only 1 of them (the picking turn) taking longer than 12 hours.

It's just this one turn so far (still significant, 'cause we're 1 day from the ladder's finish). Guess we'll know with a lot more certainty real soon once we see what was behind that fog.

There are a lot of reasons for slow play that are not stalling. I understand that I'm generally a slow player, but I don't have unlimited time to play warlight, with a busy career, family, and other interests. At the beginning of this particular game, I was on vacation in Tobago and had absolutely terrible internet access.

The fact that MisterT played the beginning of this game faster than me does not excuse his stalling now. Actually, it makes it worse. And as for not responding to his chat, so what? He sent a barrage of messages between turns that I didn't even read until after I got an email from fizzer.

I know fizzer has made adjustments when others have abused the system, and I hope he does it here. I'd like to play it out because it is a good game and it could go either way.

There are a lot of reasons for slow play that are not stalling.
- ACL Tears 7/14/2016 08:36:49

If there's a lot of reasons for slow play that are not stalling, then why are you accusing MisterT of playing one turn slow "stalling", since there could be other reasons why. Maybe he was busy in real life ? or maybe this turn put him in a tough position and he just has to think more ? I wouldn't call this stalling just because he is playing one turn too slow. The fact that you are calling a player out just because he takes a long time on one turn makes no sense at all. It makes even less sense to call a person out on stalling when his move speed is faster than yours in the game. MisterT - 16 hours vs. ACL Tears - 1 day 7 hours. I understand that you said at the beginning of the game, you were on vacation and had no internet access, but who knows maybe misterT had some busy and important thing to do in real life that is slowing down the game. Anyways I think its really selfish of you for calling out a player for playing slow as he has been playing faster than you up until turn 6. I see no stalling at all and I honestly don't know why this is even a forum post at all.

Edited 7/14/2016 13:21:45

Don't be ridiculous. It's the last day of the season. He claimed in chat he wanted to finish the game. He's a hypocrite for not doing so and changing his behavior to make sure the game doesn't end on time.

The two people I'm currently in-game seasonal with have been stalling for weeks now, it's very aggravating.

https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=4543063534
https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=538068105

I think Farah has me beat, though I'd like to take a couple turns and see if I could maybe do a comeback. But he delays it 'till the last second before actually taking his turn.

Lol, you're about to get eliminated. It's 11-5 income wise, 15-5 next turn. Good luck with your comeback! If you wanted to know why i played slow, should've just asked; i'm renovating a house.

ACL your just being a *** for making this forum post. You really lost my respect for blaming someone to stall one turn while you play every turn till now Slow. I think MisterT could have made like 20 for threads about you for doing this its really sad and you are just pissed because fizzer contacted you about it. Again its just really really sad

Once a Miezekatze Hunters, always a fair player

Lol Norman, you have to be kidding me. You have 2 multiaccounters in your clan for fucks sake xD

Stalling is not the same thing as playing slow. It's deliberately taking long turns to progress of a game in order to gain an advantage on a ladder.

Just because ACL Tears is a slow player doesn't mean he's been stalling this game- he's clearly interested in finishing the game quickly and believes that finishing this game before the season ends is net beneficial for him on the ladder. He gains nothing from slowing down the game.

But MisterT's very clearly slowed down- since the pick stage, all of his turns have taken 10 or fewer hours to commit and now we've been waiting on him for 2 days 11 hours. He's certainly been active/online in that timeframe and could have taken that turn at 1 day 23 hours (which was when he was last online when I checked at 2d2h). Delaying the progress of this game essentially guarantees MisterT the #1 spot on this seasonal ladder, so he has everything to gain from playing slower here. And the fact that MisterT played faster in this game means that he's slowed down way more significantly this turn.

Why get mad at ACL Tears for bringing it up and pointing it out? Even if ACL Tears is guilty of the same thing in other games, that doesn't make this any less of an issue.

@Ox: Not to mention a good number of likely stallers.

Edited 7/14/2016 21:37:37

There should be an option to blacklist someone twice. Or perhaps an option for OxTheAutist to blacklist himself. I give absolutely 0 thoughts on the opinion of the leader of a diplo clan initially founded by Lawlz aka TheNationalSocialist. Absolutely 0 competitive players take him serious with his stupid so called "shitposting", outside of the diplo world he is just non existant. He is just right in one point and this is calling himself a shitposter, his posts are indeed full of shit coming right out of his brain.

Edited 7/14/2016 21:58:15

People cheat* in the ladder because

1. High Reward
2. It is very easy
3. Low Risk
4. No "real" punishment

So really we should be asking why we are not cheating....

* multiple accounts, stalling, rigging match-ups etc.

Norman relax, I take OxTheAutist very serious. No sirusly I do. As far as I know he has found more ladder cheaters then anyone else. He probably would be a moderator, if it was up to me. (Unless he secretly already is a mod)

@Norman: Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they're wrong. No one on the forum really cares about your attitude toward specific people, anyway.


@TBest: well, for some of us, it's not as rewarding if we get something by cheating.

But as you point out, it works like doping. If someone else is cheating and you want to stay competitive, you essentially have to join in unless the system catches them.

Either Fizzer cracks down on it, or things continue to get worse with no accountability. There's not even a way on the third-party end to accurately programmatically detect stalling right now, even though Fizzer stores the necessary data on WL servers. If you could access commit speed through the query game API and not just by individually checking each game, we'd at least be able to detect larger-scale stalling.

Edited 7/14/2016 22:22:08

@TBest:

Attributes generally associated with a policeman: Honour, Respect, Authority

Attributes generally associated with a snitch: Slimy, Dirty, Sneaky

Imo a snitch isn't a good policeman. Where is OxTheAutist's mail again where he "gratulated" one of our clan member for his high ladder rank with a supposed alt? The one we laughed about... can't find it currently.

i mean, i didn't know that multiaccounting was in the monkey hunter strategy guide, but do you just expect me to ignore monkey hunters when i see them multiaccounting? smileyleg and Nox did it as well, and i didn't exactly give them special treatment.

i mean, i could find that mail i made some time ago, but oh well, i cba.

also, if you click "Report" on https://www.warlight.net/Clans/?ID=257 , you can very clearly see it was "Zephyrum", who founded the clan. if you're talking about this clan: https://www.warlight.net/Clans/?ID=60 you can clearly see it was "Prometheus" and not "Lawlz" or whatever you're talking about.

Norman, i'm not trying to give you my opinion. i literally said nothing but facts; there are 2 confirmed multiaccounters in your clan, whether you like it or not ;)

idk if you're typing all this out as damage-control or as a coping mechanism, but either way, it's pretty pathetic.