Anonym keeps spamming me too, then reports me when I tell him to go fuck himself lol

I am also now on Anon's Mail list, but I'm not sure how. I don't recall ever having an interaction with him. (Maybe I should take another look at my comments on his map review?)

Doc, don't bother. I had no interaction with him either yet he's still blathering away...

I disagree Ox, If you look at my thread

Tomateo has of yet not been banned and he has said many horrible things. Once I got banned for saying "who cares". No profanity, just "who cares". Banned for a week. Tomateo uses offensive and racist language several times and nothing happens.

I have been banned many times for reasons that hold no value. Out of all the times that I have been banned only one holds merit, Fizzer would know what Im talking about.

+1 to fizzer

if you can't play warlight without insulting other players go play something else.

to address your suggestions individually:

-Separate bans
There should be a separate ban from the game and on the forums. The whole point of a ban is to stop someone from doing whatever they were doing, because it was harmful. That harm might have been delivered on the forums, but not on the game, or vice versa. There's no point in banning someone from the whole game when harmful activity was isolated to one medium. This would increase activity, as someone who was banned on the forum would still be playing the game.

if you are beeing toxic to the game, you don't deserve to be anywhere. allowing you entry to one place and not the other would just increase more whinning when warnings and bans are set.

-Ban appeals
There are countless instances when bans were unfair. There should be a ban appeals section on the forums where one can petition a ban to be revoked or reduced. Nothing should be final, opinions change, new evidence comes in. Ban reasons are subjective anyway.

considering most of the people being issued warnings are people who clearly can't behave, you can imagine that channel would mostly be used to vent their immature frustrations. developers have better things to do with their lives then read idiocy complaining about inexcusable behavior. warlight is not a public right, it's a private service.

-Clearly defining rule-violating behavior
"Spamming the chat" is not against the rules according to the rules, but you can be banned for it. WTF? "Disrespect" is too broad and can be applied to almost anything. Players should be able to express some heavy emotions and criticism, too often this falls under the banner of "disrespect." Rules need to be better defined. Also, bans should spell out which rule was violated instead of quoting things you said.

i partly agree with this point, the rules should be more clear and accessible.

then again there are always smarty pants who enjoy finding innovative ways of being annoying and disruptive. these should also be warned and banned appropriately.

there is this thing called netiquette. behave towards others as you would like to be treated. with respect. it's not that hard to follow, you should give it a try.

-Eliminating favoritism
This goes without saying, if every player is going to enjoy the site then players should stop being singled out for personal and political differences in bans. A close-knit group of players who are friends with the admins and don't get banned for ban-worthy behavior are toxic to the community. This tells players who think differently or aren't friends with those guys that they don't matter, and the rules become nothing. If only some players have to follow the rules then the rules are pretty much meaningless.

What favoritism? I've seen top ladder respectable players get warned and banned for the silliest things like calling a known troll an attention whore, or adding bye accounts to a tournament to get it started earlier and someone accuse them of cheating. phyrrus got permbanned without recourse for playing a coin tournament with 2 accounts not knowing it was against the rules.

I say your claims of favoritism are nothing but troll blues.


I'll say this in addition: every report and thread you are creating to whine your sorrows over being a disrespectful person who keeps getting warned and banned without learning anything from it, intoxicating this community with your lack of respect for others. All this effort of yours to prove that you're a bad person, is draining development time from things that would be far more interesting to have improved on warlight. I blame you for slower update times and response times from Fizzer. You suck. If you don't like the warlight ban system go away and don't come back.

Edited 6/6/2016 13:11:31

I blame you for slower update times and response times from Fizzer.

This.
One hundred times this.
One thousand times this.

Every moment Fizzer has to spend dealing with baseless complaints and whining trolls is time taken away from developing the game.

behave towards others as you would like to be treated. with respect.

But I don't care or want to be treated with respect. Idc if you call me a cuck.

GeneralPE: that's your problem. rules exist to ensure everyone has a good time here. if you don't agree to follow them, leave.

Edited 6/6/2016 16:09:49

+1 Fizzer :)

+1 ps.

Separate bans on the forum and game itself? If you get banned from one for trolling, there's a high probability you'll start complaining on the other one. There's no point doing that. Much easier to ban someone for good. I agree that bans should be given out carefully, though.

As for ban appeals, they sometimes work. I was banned once and look, I'm here now. Just mail Fizzer for that and he might respond... he doesn't always do that, but there's a chance he will.

then again there are always smarty pants who enjoy finding innovative ways of being annoying and disruptive. these should also be warned and banned appropriately.

This.

Sometimes Fizzer has to act spontaneously. "Disrespect" is a very flexible term and it is here for a purpose. There are countless ways of disrespecting someone and Fizzer can't post them all or correct the rule every time a new kind of disrespect arises. That would be too much unnecessary work.

What favoritism?

To be perfectly honest, I'm pretty sure Fizzer and the mods can't keep up with warning/suspending/banning all the people who deserve it, therefore they only ban people for the crimes they see (like, I coin laundered 6 months before I was actually banned for it). The people who got punished claim it's unfair and while they're partially right, banning all trolls is just impossible. There will be always someone hiding in a shady corner, lurking, waiting for the right moment to jump in. It's not unfair for trolls to get punished, though, but it is unfair for them to not get punished.

But I don't care or want to be treated with respect.

If you want to be disrespectful, there are other places to do that. If the other person doesn't mind, just settle it in private mail. As you post offensive stuff on the forum, other people might get offended too. If you want to talk this way to a certain person (or group of people), just start a private conversation or go to another site where it's allowed. Is it that hard?

Here's a subset of the things you've said on WarLight in the past week:

"we all know you're a fat little shit eating cunt fagboy"
"you're a fucking faggot"
"David is probably an edgy little fat faggot kid with a 3 inch dick"

Fizzas Getting Real

One thing I have to say; can we all agree that personal attacks, if not involving highly offensive language, can only be considered grounds for a ban if the person attacked reports?

JUST CONTROL YOURSELF and you wont be banned.
It is pretty easy to avoid. Parsing the ban rules is just a way of getting around them.
Fizzer doesn't want to spend his time managing a matrix of ban rules.
Just be cool and you can be done with it.

if you are beeing toxic to the game, you don't deserve to be anywhere. allowing you entry to one place and not the other would just increase more whinning when warnings and bans are set.

If you are being toxic on the forums, you get banned there. If you are being toxic on the game, you get banned on the game. No it wouldn't increase more whining, if someone were to get banned on the forums and then do ban-worthy behavior in the game, they would be banned in the game. What is 'deserved' is irrelevant as bans are only intended to stop destructive behavior.

Separate bans on the forum and game itself? If you get banned from one for trolling, there's a high probability you'll start complaining on the other one. There's no point doing that. Much easier to ban someone for good. I agree that bans should be given out carefully, though.

A "high probability?" If you troll both, you'll get banned on both. Players can ignore complain-y threads it just takes some willpower to not respond. The game and the forum are completely separate. What harmful act was taken against the forums if I, say, rigged a coin game? I shouldn't be banned there.

I'll say this in addition: every report and thread you are creating to whine your sorrows over being a disrespectful person who keeps getting warned and banned without learning anything from it, intoxicating this community with your lack of respect for others. All this effort of yours to prove that you're a bad person, is draining development time from things that would be far more interesting to have improved on warlight. I blame you for slower update times and response times from Fizzer. You suck. If you don't like the warlight ban system go away and don't come back.

Kek. You (and Fizzer) must see me as some kind of enemy. I'm laying out ideas that I feel would improve WarLight. This response proves that you're not taking this seriously. You probably think I'm another troll.

And about the ban appeals: many gaming sites have these. They are great for the reasons I laid out in the OP. Opinions change, new evidence comes. The ban appeals should ideally have a separate section on the forums. I would rather have a ban appeal section full of whiny posts than the lack of one, because at least users would get a chance to petition an unfair ban. And it would not be beneficial to be whiny if one truly wanted a ban repealed, it would benefit them to be sensible and respectful.

On Fizzer's response: Fizzer hasn't given a follow-up because he has nothing to say regarding the arguments in the post. I assume he didn't like the argument, for whatever unexplained reason and brought up some things I said. His entire post was irrelevant, I would expect more from a site admin. I would at least expect him to explain his reasoning against the arguments, but it's possible he knew his blind emotional following would rather jump on a character attack. Ad hominem attacks are laughable.

If you want to be disrespectful, there are other places to do that. If the other person doesn't mind, just settle it in private mail. As you post offensive stuff on the forum, other people might get offended too. If you want to talk this way to a certain person (or group of people), just start a private conversation or go to another site where it's allowed. Is it that hard?

Offense is very subjective, but I think we can all agree Genghis shouldn't have been banned for "I will drug your mother." Light-hearted suggestive comments need to be left alone. I don't think we need to limit WarLight to daycare language.

I agree with some points from both sides, maybe a compromise is needed ? Fizzer is never going to change it if you force him to, stuff it in his face. Sure some rules are unfair but can we not come to a polite and peaceful resolution?

I agree with some points from both sides, maybe a compromise is needed ? Fizzer is never going to change it if you force him to, stuff it in his face. Sure some rules are unfair but can we not come to a polite and peaceful resolution?

^Hard for us to 'fix' something when only Fizzer knows hows things work. One of the resone I think a more transparent triage system is what players actully want. AT least I think that is the place to start.

Edited 6/6/2016 18:40:52

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A "high probability?" If you troll both, you'll get banned on both. Players can ignore complain-y threads it just takes some willpower to not respond.

Why should respectful people be forced to ignore your thread posting idiocy when you get banned? They are not here to read or ignore your whinning, they are here to play and have fun. You're in the way. If you can't behave get out.

Kek. You (and Fizzer) must see me as some kind of enemy. I'm laying out ideas that I feel would improve WarLight. This response proves that you're not taking this seriously. You probably think I'm another troll.

kek yourself. Your ideas are clearly a whine over a system that you disagree with. And the only reason you disagree with it is because it affects you negatively. The only people negatively affected by this system are people with free insults and trolls. Yes i believe you are another troll. I would like to see you perm banned from this site to stop wasting mine (and Fizzer's) time with your idiocy.

And about the ban appeals: many gaming sites have these. They are great for the reasons I laid out in the OP. Opinions change, new evidence comes. The ban appeals should ideally have a separate section on the forums. I would rather have a ban appeal section full of whiny posts than the lack of one, because at least users would get a chance to petition an unfair ban. And it would not be beneficial to be whiny if one truly wanted a ban repealed, it would benefit them to be sensible and respectful.

Sites who handle ban appeals are multimillion projects with dozens of developers and a much larger community than warlights'. They have to manage ban systems more effectively or risk community outcry and loss of revenue. Warlight does not have that structure, it has 1 developer. Every minute he spends reading your crap about why calling someone "a fucking faggot" might be acceptable in your neanderthalian, un-enducated and disrespectful little brain of yours; which clearly is against the rules and any common sense; just proving you lack any proper human decency or adequate education; is a minute he could be improving the site.

If you want to keep randomly sending insults filled with prejudice to random people and then whine about why you get banned, go do it somewhere else. It is not welcome here.

On Fizzer's response: Fizzer hasn't given a follow-up because he has nothing to say regarding the arguments in the post. I assume he didn't like the argument, for whatever unexplained reason and brought up some things I said. His entire post was irrelevant, I would expect more from a site admin. I would at least expect him to explain his reasoning against the arguments, but it's possible he knew his blind emotional following would rather jump on a character attack. Ad hominem attacks are laughable.

There is no follow-up required, you're just an idiot and your suggestions are of a troll. Thank goodness Fizzer doesn't waste as much time responding to the likes of you any longer than i already have.

Edited 6/6/2016 18:48:35

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There should be a separate ban from the game and on the forums.

Fizzer owning him with his history aside, he is 100% right on this one. Playing and using the forum are completely separate and should be treated as such with bans. If you say something offensive on the forum, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to play the game.