It's interesting too, Eklipse. In theory and name, each state is independent and can leave at any time.

But, after 1877, the US became a Corporation not a Union, so that is now frowned upon. Sad thing is the people who don't know these things.

1876 "Constitution for the United States"

1877 "CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES"

Loli, your picture is suggesting sexual things. Just like Pooncrews picture of "roast beef"

@Eklipse Yes, that is something I find hilariously ironic and hypocritical. America claim to be the "home of the free" - a country made by the 13 colonies seceding from Britain through conflict, and they do not allow their own states to secede peacefully? How free.

This picture is suggesting sexual things - i will get suspended!




Come on! These are just harmless images ....

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So the US has to let every nut with a gun to form his own country at the US's expense?

We know FC Bayern... In Europe they probably are... But in murica everything is censored and deemed inappropiate. I wouldn't be surprised if you get banned (I'm not joking either...)

He likely won't get banned. AFAICT, that rule doesn't exist for Fizzer or for the community but for the advertisers. Coke doesn't want to be associated with anime-style sexually suggestive drawings of prepubescent girls.

A picture of fruit flies mating doesn't carry the same connotative value, fortunately, and likely wouldn't require any action on Fizzer's part (under what I understand of Google's ad policy) even if it became widespread on the site (e.g., as the default profile picture for all users).

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@Butler of course it would call for some sort of referendum. I'm not saying that the US should recognise any silly little MicroState that decides to pop up, I'm saying that they shouldn't forbid states seceding, or other regions - perhaps a Great Lakes Union, New England, or a Rocky Commonwealth.

So the US should just divide itself up? Why would it ever do that? There is no reason whatsoever that Great lake bordering states, New England or "rocky commonwealth" should become nations.

Well, if a majority of citizens in that area felt that they were no longer adequately represented by the federal government (the same way a majority of American colonists felt that they were no longer properly represented by the federal government), they should in theory be able to withdraw their consent for that government. The process would get messy, though.

Regardless, the Civil War didn't invalidate the idea of secession but of secession based on states' rights. It could be argued that the Union effectively championed popular sovereignty as opposed to states' rights by supporting civil rights (to an extent) in opposition to states. Additionally, three counties in what is now West Virginia were allowed to secede from the state of Virginia and form their own government.

Obviously, the process would be quite messy in practice (given the federal investments in most states), but if the US government falters it would eventually have to occur. Not going to occur in the near future, of course- the vast majority of every state's population is more than content with its federal representation and finds the Union to be net-beneficial. Even in Texas, we treat the secessionists like complete nuts- so it's not really comparable to Scotland.

In fact, it's hard to compare American federalism to British federalism because (especially after 1789) the American states reflect the expansion of one culture rather than the addition of disparate cultures to a single state- groups like African-Americans and Native Americans were indeed subjugated, but that's not reflected in the political organization of the US the same way the historical subjugation of the Welsh and Scots is reflected in the political organization of the UK. So it's a flawed analogy in that regard, and one could easily support allowing Scottish secession while still opposing the secession of Texas for that reason.

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like what does it suggest i see nothing in the picture even with my perverts mind.

Butler I'm not implying that any of these supposed regions would have any use, I'm just confused as to why America identifies itself as the home of the free, but forbids states to secede.

Also, I'm not saying one must support the independence of regions or states, but I think it'd be nice to give them the option. That shows true freedom - to choose.

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America is in no way "free" so you are sorely mistaken. When corporations can lead the poor to a slaughterhouse for profit and get to buy their way into politics it is not free or democratic; it is Corporatistic.

^^ Where does the US forbid secession? I'm aware of a few SCOTUS rulings declaring historical acts of secession (the ones in 1860 and 1861) "illegal" but even those recognized the idea of state divisibility.

Less than 50% of the U.S Congress is held by members under the age of 50 years old. 75% of the people currently in congress have already have held it. Wanna know what the real freaking problem is? We're letting people who aren't in touch with what the citizens want, make decisions. Which is why I don't want to live in this country anymore.

Des,your ideas are in line with Hitler comrade.

It can take a while to ascend the political ladder.

Nah, I just find it stupid that people keep electing these fucktards that are over the age of 50 into Congress and the House of Representatives. We aren't being represented fairly, corporations are. Because they are the ones backing the campaigns.


And that being said, no it doesn't. It one)Takes age. Two)Takes money. Three) Bullshitting your way to the top.

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Aww damn.. My best buddy Benjamin.. Blacklisted me.. Shit! Aww... My Warlight experiance is over!!!

Your removed from the Champions League.

Nah, I just find it stupid that people keep electing these fucktards that are over the age of 50 into Congress and the House of Representatives. We aren't being represented fairly, corporations are. Because they are the ones backing the campaigns.

You will be getting 15 spankings today, for insulting the elderly, being too hip and insulting my friends. I lived through Afghanistan, not to be insulted by some "hip" mate who thinks he knows everything.

"America is in no way "free" so you are sorely mistaken. When corporations can lead the poor to a slaughterhouse for profit and get to buy their way into politics it is not free or democratic; it is Corporatistic."

You're an idiot. Go live in a country like Iran were things like Skype are banned because they're encrypted and communicating without the government monitoring your conversations is deemed illegal and punishable by jailing.

Is America perfect? No. No place is, but you have it a hell of a lot better than 90% of the world does.