Well people in the wolves and falcons talk about someone gaining MR and destroying the clan. Like how does that even happen, people just gaining MR?

Less preventable than you might think. Achilles, the last person to abuse MR tot take over CORP, would have been the last suspect. He was one of the founding members of Scorpio, motivated to improve (until he went inactive, he was playing in CSL alongside mm3100 and learning a lot very fast), talkative, and to top it off someone Kazuki knew IRL and presumably trusted. This was with only 3 people having MR (Kazuki, the leader/owner of the clan; me, because I took care of operations when Kazuki wasn't able to do so efficiently; and Achilles, as Kazuki could trust him more so than he could trust anyone else, really).

Which is why I'm interested in how other clans tackle the problem of management. There's lots of things that can go absolutely wrong when instead you want a clan to constantly improve and deliver increasing value to its players.

Edited 8/13/2015 14:02:50

2 active people in AWF have MR. Its not a problem and I doubt it ever will be.

Also, people who actually play the game and have fun at it are less inclined to destroy the fun than someone playing rigged diplos. Also, maturity has a lot to do with it.

Edited 8/13/2015 14:11:04

^ the issue is that the risk is virtually impossible to assess because of how little we know about other players on this site and the general lack of tools we can use to prevent them from misbehaving. The only clans able to throw around MR everywhere are groups like apex with highly trustworthy players who would harm their significant time investments in the game by behaving like idiots.

That disincentive doesn't exist for most players. While there are rules of thumb like the ones you mentioned (serious players are less risky because they've got more to lose and less of an interest in a NationStates-style Clans metagame; players who've demonstrated and understanding that certain actions are unethical are also more trustworthy), they're not able to provide anything near certainty. How clans deal with this dilemma often ends up defining how they operate.

Edited 8/13/2015 14:19:09

Manager rights are almost useless if you are in a fun clan. Before I got MR, the only thing I couldn't do that I do now is give people funny titles. People who think destroying someone's 15$ is fun have serious mental problems imo.

MR were pretty useful to me in CORP.

I never really used my MR in CORP. I never found people that I thought fit CORP well enough. Well besides BigMeck :>

It goes beyond invites. If you look at the CORP Clan Page, you'll notice that titles haven't been updated since I GC1 ended. :> At least I got the Kaiju title in for BM but now it belongs to orionaux for winning the July Scorpio tourney. Also the changes to the Clan Icon when a dojo won the monthly title. And the updates to the description as the clan evolved. Mostly just day-to-day tasks, but those are the reasonMR are the source of all real authority in the clan- Managers end up having most of the control over implementation.

The fact that the Prime Minister of The Royal Falcons is hostile towards The Lost Wolves causes considerable worry.

Here is my history:

*I join WarLight

*I make friends with a guy named Awesomedude

*Awesomedude invites me to join The Lost Wolves

*I join The Lost Wolves

*I make friends with many nice people in The Lost Wolves including Semicedevine, GodKungRoaringCow, TheLastJapanese, Xapy, Sleepybear and others

*I change my name to Colonel Harthacanute

*Awesomedude changes his name to Resykon

*Resykon convinces me to join him in setting up a new clan

*We find Thomas 633 (then a member of Time Lords of Gallifrey) to pay for new clan

*Resykon decides the new clan should be called The Royal Falcons and Thomas should be the King

*Thomas 633 creates new clan with confirmed name and I am first to join

*I come up with a new constitution for the clan which is borrowed from the Wolves, is extremely complicated and nobody understands

*Resykon tries to convince me to lead a coup against Thomas in favour of his becoming King: I naturally refuse

*Resykon goes back to the Wolves and stirs up trouble with Michael the Great and Semicedevine

*The Royal Falcons and The Lost Wolves annoy everybody by clogging up the forums with arguments and empty threats both ways resulting in the tarnishing of the image of both clans

*The Royal Falcons grows to have 70 members, 15 of whom are active on the forums and real-time and multi-day games

*Semicedevine and Michael the Great take over the Falcons with assistance from Kellen the Conqueror

*Thomas takes back the clan with considerable help from shyb on the condition that I am barred forever

*Thomas agrees but breaks the contract ("we do not negotiate with terrorists")

*I rebuild the clan pretty much single-handedly

*The awld Falcons slowly become bored with the clan and leave to join various other clans

*Many new members join, replacing the old members: it turns out many of these new members are Wolf alts

*The alts launch a campaign to destroy the Falcons. They use the system I built to destroy me

*I am booted from the Falcon by my former ally and the Chairman of my Falcon party Cade

*I join the Mongols upon the invitation of the Khagan

Never fear cause CORP always has a strategy to solve its own problems and rise to the top.
With that said CORP is a non-politic clan which has no drama but a peaceful friendly atmosphere in its present state.
For what I have seen of the history i find CORP brave and fascinating
Especially proud to be in!:-)

our government changes practically every week but the one we have now is keyes' ideal one, we have a pentarchy with 5 people (me, semice,zephyrum,houston, and keyes) and a high council that just gives us ideas.

Was talking about then. Also, sceptic of what you are saying, but I can't disprove nor can you prove.

dom left becuase this was around the time we dicided to let michael back in (biggest mistake we ever made) and dom didnt want to be in the same clan as michael

Wasn't Dom a spy for Roman clan?

only the falcons were made, and it was made due to kellen throwing a fit and leaving, taking his friends with him...so it was kellen, not colonel. and about the falcons, we have drove thomas to being paranoid just becuase ew were tired of dealing with there shit

Well, Royal Falcons were made from former members of TLW, while After_Dark was made from former members of Royal Falcons.

incorrect, your manager rights were given shortly after you joined... you were given them before the falcons were made

Actually, I am right. I was 4/5 done with my journey in TLW when I got manager rights. It was after the Falcons and After_Dark were made.

there is and was no hatred other then thomas and semice basically spreading propoganda to blow it out of hand and any hate between us is overexagerated (infact the pentarchy have never once mentioned falcons in our meetings

Mate, I had to make 2 make-friends games with 14 Falcons and 14 Wolves each. Stong dislike.

bullshit, you sparked it up along with semice...all semice did back then was piss people off and try to spark shit between us and the falcons becuase... (as he would put it) reasons...other then semice, only maybe warlord cared enough, and that only lasted a week till he said fuck it and stopped caring...the rest of us didnt care, so if your going to insult us as angry runts then atleast say who was the damn runts instead of asuming we all wanted your heads on pikes

I made some clan forum posts telling TLW to calm down - responses were not very agreeing.

also bullshit, you joined the falcons before you tried to calm everything down, and you didnt calm anyone down...on both sides.

No, I'm right here as well - ask Harthacanute. And yes, I calmed down the Falcons, and not too long after, the rivalry was forgotten and TLW and Royal Falcons did their own business.

Edited 8/19/2015 23:46:29

"The alts launch a campaign to destroy the Wolves."
... I have no regrets kicking you out of Falcons. You slander every single person who annoys you so that you get your way.
"The old Falcons slowly leAVE the clan because they were bored."
XD Quite the contrary. People left because of the drama you were starting.
"I rebuild the clan almost singlehandedly."
You have no humility, do you? You envision yourself as a god, being too good for the other clan members and always making yourself right. Even if this is somewhat true, I can see where your loss of humility stems from.

"The old Falcons slowly leAVE the clan because they were bored."
XD Quite the contrary. People left because of the drama you were starting.

When I was there, it was 90% boredom for leaving reason (with notable exception Poon Squad).

Edited 8/20/2015 04:41:55

Damn it feels good to be a dictator, that way i don't have to deal with people usurping./
And all i gotta say to you, wanna be, gonna be, fake ass clan leaders, when a nigga kicks you out the fuck you gonna do? damn it feels good to be dictator/

Wow, bunfight much... still, got the "rivalries" part down pat.

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I don't get it, instead of spying and drama with other clans, why dont you guys just play the actual game?

I created After_Dark you should know this
Жұқтыру.. It would nice if you could just play the game enjoy it without the drama!! And I was never in any other clan before making the new clan, I created it with my brother he has since stop playing War light. Please delete this pointless thread..

Edited 8/20/2015 12:04:22

I can enjoy it with the drama - just ask knyte (he said something like "X is one of those people who finds the forum better than the actual game").The game itself is pretty fun, but is also pretty social compared to other video games.

What do you have against enjoying drama?

Lol I still don't get why you gave up A_D to Kapy, Zeus. This result was all but unpredictable.