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Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 16:03:48


Hell
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The plot thickens! The thread has been deleted again, this time with an ominous message from the staff!

Link to second deleted thread: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/100728-fizzer-sides-coin-game-cheater




I have chosen to record everything said on the previous thread.










Edited 7/19/2015 16:11:15
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 16:06:09


Hell
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This must be resolved. If coin games are to exist in Warlight, then the rules must be clear, and followed.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 16:06:13


Belgian Gentleman 
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Stunning.

Edit: this is mainly for humoric use , not for insulting use.

Edited 7/19/2015 16:21:40
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 16:18:26


à la recherche du temps perdu 
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Hell, you have a terrible problem with your time zone. If you live in France, you'll be late at work tomorow. I say that for your own good ;) lol
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 16:25:52


Hell
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No comment. xD
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 16:53:16


Hell
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Interesting that the Warlight staff have obviously read this by now, but have chosen to not respond beyond deleting the threads. . .
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 17:24:23


Kenny • apex 
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Just wondering, why do you care so much?
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 17:30:56


Hell
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The future of Warlight's coin games will be affected by this. If we choose to turn a blind eye to this transgression, we set a precedent that could destroy any hope of competitions that can earn a player money. Sports competitions rely on honesty, and we, as a community, must not allow cheating to happen. I cannot in good conscience leave this alone, and neither can any of you. This must be addressed.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 18:02:07


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There is absolutely no public proof that he has cheated. Until I can see such proof I will not call him/her/it/ etc. out for cheating.

Also the forum is not the place for reports. Use the report function. Make sure there is proof in that report.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 18:09:50


Hell
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There is absolutely no public proof that he has cheated.


There is plenty of circumstantial evidence, however: 1) the fact that both are of the same country; 2) the fact that several top players -- Pushover, Timinator, Math Wolf -- have stated their belief Arlecchino and alt are the same person; 3) that Arlecchino set a vacation on Warlight last evening (the time I first posted my accusation) for ten days, and will likely try to wait for this to blow over, which will not happen; 4) both accounts have used the same name in the past. His only real defense now is to somehow prove that someone else was using the account at the time of the tournament, which still violates Warlight law in that you are barred from sharing accounts with a third party. Good luck with that.

Also the forum is not the place for reports. Use the report function. Make sure there is proof in that report.

This instance of cheating is a serious violation of trust in the community. I see no reason to keep it private.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 18:17:03


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Proof would be easy to obtain for Fizzer. I believe he can check whether they log in from the same IP Address.

That said, while I get Hell's point (coin games need to be cheating-free), Fizzer's noticed this now and it's up to him to act on it. I'm pretty sure he will; coins look like something he put thought + effort into to monetize the site; he has more of an incentive than anyone else to preserve the legitimacy of coin games/tournaments. I think it's safe to let the issue go.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 18:18:34


TBest 
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^ I mean, reporting something on the forums have not lead to any action taken by Fizzer in the past. If you believe that anyone has violated the WL ToS, reporting them is the only way too,... well... report them xD
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 18:40:19


Hell
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I would also like to call attention to this:


The coin games need to be more transparent. At this time there is no public record of the games a player earns coins from; like the ladders, there should be a running list of finished games. A player's total number of coins should also be public knowledge.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 19:02:33


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Since I'm quoted above, this is the reason why I believe they may be the same person:

Arlecchino & Teonanacatl played the 2v2 ladder together and often took their turns closely one after another. That's of course not proof, but typical alt behaviour. Arlecchino was mostly first, followed by Teonanacatl unless the turn was taken immediately (under 15 minutes) when Teonanacatl was first. This would be consistent with the "logging in with the alt to take the turn" idea. Only one account said gg in our game, supposedly the main account Arlecchino.

Their playing styles are / were very similar as well and me and Yeon actually assumed they were the same person from the start and never got any indication of this being not true.


I agree with knyte though: Coin games are important for Fizzer, so it's for his own good to look into it and he probably will. Other than that, it's pretty pointless to discuss it here.

Nevertheless, people are innocent until the opposite is proven. We, nor Fizzer, can rule out the possibility that they are brothers, a married couple, father and son, ... In short, they may be roommates or family members and playing from the same computer. Even if the accounts were originally made by the same person, it would still be OK if they are handled by two different legal persons now. Taking away coins, banning or something similar could get problematic for Fizzer if it turned out they were doing nothing wrong. So I think it's best to leave this to the staff to handle in the most careful way.
Like someone said above: if you want to do something about it: report them and the staff will look at it. Making topics with caps lock and with alts may not improve the situation, I think.

As a final note: didn't we have to input our birthday and country of residence to get the free coins? (I may recall this wrong?) If this was the case and they did, it comes down to 2 options. If their birthdays are the same, Fizzer has his proof unless they can show they are twins. If their birthdays were different, it should be very easy for them to show Fizzer 2 ID's matching the birthdays to prove there is no cheating. But this is something that can be discussed between the WL staff and the respective accounts holder(s), that information should never be public.

Edited 7/19/2015 19:05:17
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 19:27:09

Hennns
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As a final note: didn't we have to input our birthday and country of residence to get the free coins? (I may recall this wrong?)

I may remember wrong too ofc, but I think all you had to do was to confirm that you were above 18.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 20:28:54


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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well the age differs in different areas, but yeah above a certain age. ^^^^
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 20:42:07


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Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 20:57:53


Hell
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My work here is done.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 21:40:40


Kenny • apex 
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http://pegitboard.com/pics/337407.gif?cb=Z5iEHESd33

Thanks Widzisz for supplying this through Skype.

Though it doesn't want to be embedded.

Edited 7/19/2015 21:42:21
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 22:42:08

Sabali
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Why couldn't fizzer just change the title to not be in caps?
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 23:13:09


Benjamin628 
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^^ Lmao
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 23:34:36


Des {TJC}
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10/10 Lolo&Wid

Edited 7/19/2015 23:34:58
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 23:48:27

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Krzychu WarLight Member
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Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/19/2015 23:49:48


knyte 
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Idea: Lolowut and Widzisz

Edited 7/20/2015 00:56:32
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/20/2015 00:26:17


Kenny • apex 
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You better cite us on that gif Knyte or I'll post up another thread shaming you for stealing intellectual property.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/20/2015 00:38:51


Genghis 
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Did somebody steal your WarLight intellects property?

Consider Genghis & Genghis WarLight Legal Firm.

We'll raze the opposition's homes.

P s. What was the ascii image supposed to be?
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/20/2015 00:43:04


Vernita Green
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@Math Wolf : Your very own teammate Yeon is an alt.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/20/2015 00:45:14


Benjamin628 
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https://www.warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=2976

An alt won a season? Timon92 always participates on his main.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/20/2015 00:47:39


myhandisonfire 
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There are a lot of alts that won ladder no.1. Seasonal ladder included.
Coin Game Scandal Part III: 7/20/2015 00:50:56


Nex
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Indeed. Season XIV's winner, Killua Zaoldyeck is Gnuffone for example.
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