I am middle but EXTREMELY SLIGHT left.



*Edit* Funny because I identify myself as a Republican

Edited 6/27/2015 17:38:27

I don't want to do any gatekeeping, but I was looking for... like, actual leftists. Not centrist liberals who misappropriate the label "leftist" in a bid to hide their marginzalization of anti-capitalist ideology. Social democrats, sure. Actual socialists, hell yeah.

Basically, if you are:

- anti-imperialist
- anti-fascist
- anti-capitalist
- opposed to all forms of structural oppression
- sympathetic to the idea of worker control of the means of production

you are who I'm trying to find.

<- Socialist

but I was looking for... like, actual leftists.

Sorry, I'm ambidextrous

Like some people said, It depends on your country. Basically all americans are centrists, centre-right or centre-left respectively.

I think that socialism is a great concept, but not so much so when you get assholes like Stalin and Hitler Implementing it.

- anti-imperialist Check
- anti-fascist Check
- anti-capitalist Mostly, but not communist
- opposed to all forms of structural oppression I believe so, but I'm sure someone's going to come up with something that proves me wrong here. So I'll say over 90%
- sympathetic to the idea of worker control of the means of production Check

ok to be more specific, i tend to agree with anarcho-syndicalism. so, just about as far left as you can go.

Republican X

Democrat X

Awake ✔

- anti-imperialist
Check.
- anti-fascist
Check.
- anti-capitalist
Check.
- opposed to all forms of structural oppression
You'll have to be more specific on this one. The word oppression is thrown around quite a bit.
- sympathetic to the idea of worker control of the means of production
Check.

I think more important with simple distinction between left or right is something different.

Namely, to have an authority/government which follows the will of its people, state officials who are responsible for their actions and above all a wise folk who doesn't get manipulated and know how fight for their rights and take action in case of oppression.

To avoid situations like in this video:
How western elites poison us and the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hj3LGvWWLU

When someone who is in power is against its own people we have a problem...
People are unaware because such taboo topics are avoided in mass-media.
I have hundreds of videos... Its all part of a bigger thing.

Edited 6/28/2015 01:44:58

I'm more of a Socio-Liberal, not a Extreme Left but in the Middle of the Left

I've always been skeptical about fluoride. I've thought fluoride was just one of the many impurities that is caused by water refineries.

Im an Anarchist. I think that counts...

^Anarchists is the furthest you can get from the left.

Authoritarian vs libertarian has more actual significance than terms left left/right or liberal/conservative, imo. Plenty of capitalist systems show more respect for the individual worker than some ostensibly communist regimes like, say, North Korea or do.

In the USA at least, the "left" is socially liberal, but economically authoritarian. The "right" is socially authoritarian yet economically liberal. It shows how politics and ideology really don't have as much overlap as you'd think.

It's also the same reason "anarchists" can label themselves as "left." Yeah, socially they are. Economically they're anything but "left" in modern political parlance.

Edited 6/28/2015 16:53:20

you could say the right in america is economically authoritarian because their policies make the rich richer and the poor poorer, and put even more power in the hands of multinational corporations (arguably the real rulers of our country). the left want more controls on the economy but only to keep those at the top from gaming the system. in my view an even playing field is what the left are after, which is antithetical to authoritarians.

it is tricky defining this stuff because it is seen differently by both sides.

and of course im only talking about america.

So for the purpose of this thread:

left:

anti-capitalist
anti-imperialist
generally opposed to structural oppression

right:

usually capitalist
opposes anti-imperialism and anti-colonialism on some level (or finds those movements problematic)
does not focus on ending structural oppression, although may be opposed to centralized governments that limit property rights or states' rights

Your close. Let me elaborate.

For those of us who live in America here is the Republican platform https://www.gop.com/platform/.

Here is the democrat platform. https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

In America, the Republicans sit on the right side of the aisle and Democrats sit on the left side of the aisle in case you didn't know that.

Here is the summary of the Democrat platform. http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2012_DNC_Platform_Democratic_Party.htm

Here is a summary of the republican platform.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2012_RNC_Platform_Republican_Party.htm

As you can see the Democrats support more (not total) socialism in the economy. They want welfare, medicare, obamacare, medicaid, high corporate tax rates and entitlements all of which INCREASE the governments control of the economy.

They also support REMOVING the government from people's personal lives. They also support the US responsibly withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan which may be an imperialist issue or it may be a safety issue.

The Democrats are indeed opposed to Capitalism and (perceived) imperialism but sometimes they want more structural oppression (like the ACA) and sometimes they want less. That is the left.

The Republicans on the other hand want more (not total) capitalism in the economy. They don't like welfare, medicare, obamacare, medicaid, high corporate tax rates and entitlements which INCREASE government control of the economy. The republican economic approach can be best summarized as "laissez faire", literally meaning "leave it alone."

On domestic issues the Republicans support MORE government control of people's personal lives. They used to stand against gay marriage. They wish to limit late-term abortions. Republicans also extremely hate Russian Imperialism especially with the events of Donbass.

The Republicans are opposed to Socialism and foriegn Imperialism but sometimes they want more structural oppression (like the government surveillance programs) and sometimes they want less (like destroying entitlements and the ACA).

TLDR: You, knyte, make it seem like you have to be a Communist or a Socialist to be part of the left and you need to be a Fascist to be part of the left. The facts are that MORE people are in the middle(liberals, conservatives) of the political divide than out at the ends(Communist/Socialist, Fascist). The facts are that nobody actually supports Colonialism/Imperialism anymore in the west because it is so unpopular. You will only find that in Russia (a leftist country).

Edited 6/30/2015 01:56:12

I hate Liberals.

My ideals are:

Support gay marriage
Kill all murderers
Let them come from Mexico, teach them. Don't kick them out
Stahp Media Bias

>Tfw Eklipse claims left when he's really a right

:p