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The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 17:02:15


Жұқтыру
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It was well known that Poland wanted to invade USSR, with help of Nazi Germany. Felix Dzerzhinsky presented the following report:

The possibility of an armed attack on the Soviet Union from Poland, Romania and the Baltic border countries, under the influence and with the support of capitalistic England, is now becoming more and more relevant and from theoretical assumptions has transferred to the sphere of real opportunity.


Polish-source reports did much the same:

The dismemberment of Russia is at the heart of Polish politics in the east, so our possible position will be reduced to the following formula - who will take part in this dismemberment? Poland should not remain passive in this great moment of history.. The aim is to prepare well in advance both physically and spiritually. The main objective is the weakening and defeat of Russia.


Also, the Pildulski-Hitler pact stated that Poland would "actively cooperate" with Nazi Germany. They invaded Czechslovakia together,

Memoir of Ribbentrop with conversation with Beck (Polish ambassador):

Then I again spoke with Beck about policy of Poland and Germany against the Soviet Union and therefore also on the Great Ukraine, I again offered cooperation between Poland and Germany in this field.
Mr. Beck did not hide the fact that Poland claims the right to Soviet Ukraine and access to the Black Sea; he immediately pointed to the alleged dangers that, according to the Polish party, could arise from Polish treaty with Germany against the Soviet Union.
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:12:01

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What does not make sense in this story, Poland was attacked German invasion large that destroyed most of the Warsaw, making Poland occupied territory not even state coercion, or an ally, if Germany really was an ally of Poland why they organized an invasion destroyed a lot in Poland? And gave them rights to independence far worse than the other occupied European countries,,,
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:29:48


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It's because Hitler hated Slavs.

http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/מרחב_מחיה
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:32:14

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I know, but Hitler made an agreement with Bulgaria, a Slavic country, Slovakia established a neo-Nazi government, and the same to Croatia, and Poland was conquest area.
And I know, he wanted to make Poland and Russia into a living space area Aryan race, and make the Slavic slaves

Edited 4/23/2015 19:32:26
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:35:29


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Well, Hitler needed some space to himself, not just Neonazi/fascist governments. The same reason why he declared war on Russia.
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:38:26

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He also declare war on Russia as an attempt to discourage the United Kingdom, to get them to surrender, he thought they would help Russia, they wanted to conquer Russia, they will have to make threats to Britain to see no options and get them to surrender, he was wrong because the Americans join
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:39:43


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USA declared not because of Nazi Germany, but because of the Japanese Empire. As we can see, Hitler is always getting screwed over by his allies.

Edited 4/23/2015 19:40:06
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 19:42:12

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Yes, allies of the Germans with the Japanese only caused them harm
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:23:42


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The Italians were even worse allies, though.
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:24:55

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Why? They added their army, although apparently they did not have a good strategy and organization
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:25:47


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Look up the Greek invasion. Also, their army was pretty shabby.
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:27:01


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They had a bad army, bad strategy, and a terrible leader.
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:28:00

Elroi{IL}
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Well, they fight on three fronts, true they are not considered significant Empire
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:32:31


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The Germans declared war on the USA, as they thought it would happen anyway due to the Japanese attack. Who knows what would have happened if Germany didn't declare, USA might not have entered for war as quick as they did.

Edited 4/23/2015 20:33:52
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:32:40


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*Poland not on list, extremely disappointed*
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 20:42:59


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America would have. Anyone who declared war on Japan automatically went to war with Germany. There's a special co-belligrent status for those who only attack certain powers, and that goes to Finland (for attacking Russia) and Siam (for attacking France).
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 23:25:19


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Germany.

>The Germanic tribes contributed to Rome's downfall

>The Anglo Saxons of the British Isles

>The Francs, who made France.

>The World Wars

>Some of the greatest minds to ever live, both in science and in military.
The Epic History Poll: 4/23/2015 23:38:54


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Germany, not all Germanics worldwide.

Also, they didn't start the first one.
The Epic History Poll: 4/24/2015 01:08:27

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Had germany not entered World War One, they would have dominated all of Europe the rest of the century
The Epic History Poll: 4/24/2015 15:30:06


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There is a 0.01% chance however, that Germany would not enter World War One, they promised to back Austria-Hungary in case of a war, (the .01% chance regards the chance of "since when did a promise stop anything?").

Assuming Germany was as bad as an ally as Italy, and they did not enter World War One on the Central Power's side, the war would probably not be the "Great" war it was. Without Germany to declare war on France, and subsequently use the tactic of invading Belgium to gain a strategic advantage on France, allowing Britain to come into the war, these three major powers in the war would have likely not been involved. The Ottoman Empire would have not entered the war as well, since they were not part of the Triple Alliance, but it was the Turko-German alliance, so without Germany, they would not enter the war. Perhaps Italy would have been faithful in this scenario, and other Balkan countries (Romania, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Greece) just ignoring the war as it had not escalated.
This would leave the war at: Central Powers: Austria-Hungary, Italy. Allies: Russia, Serbia. Likely what would happen, is Austria-Hungary would annex Serbia, in exchange for Russia gaining Galizia, the war would likely lead to a stalemate, since A-H would be backed by Italy.

Now, because Russia did not have to deal with Germany and the Ottomans, they would have a lot more military capability, therefore, the October Revolution would probably not be successful, an independent Poland would be highly unlikely, and even more so with Ukraine.

Germany would at this point be tied with Britain as the leading World Power.

Now Italy would probably not become a Fascist state, because they did not have to put as much effort as they did in WW1, and because they would likely be satisfied with the war reparations they were given. There was also no communism to oppose, and no lack of patriotism.

Germany, with no hyper-inflation, and no economic downfall, and no treaty of Versailles, and no participation in World War One, would not become Nazi.

With no fascist movement or influence around the continent, there would be no Spanish civil war.

The breakup of Austria-Hungary would be inevitable, but it would not happen instantly after the war like it did in real life. It would probably lead to an Austro-Hungarian civil war, in which Hungary would win, and declare independence. Austria would then either join Germany, or form a personal union with Germany. Because it was a civil war that lead to Austria-Hungary's breakup, there would be no Czechoslovakia, and no Yugoslavia. Instead they would probably liberate Serbia, also controlling the land of Bosnia, and then maybe Montenegro would join them.

The fall of the Ottoman Empire as well would still happen, but prolonged. There would probably be a Greco-Turkish war, in which Greece would win, annex some land, and the empire would eventually collapse.

The further I go on, it becomes more vague, I don't know how it would affect Europe past this point. I just wanted to throw my two cents in on the topic.
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