publicity boost, mb started the topic,
check mate.

An individual started the topic. MB isn’t following or monitoring this thread. There are zero posts about it in our clan chat. We don’t care what you guys do any more than we care what Huns or CATS or the Funky Fizzers do.

I, as an individual, want you guys to stop throwing games. You guys seem to think you’re the only ones clever enough to come up with the brilliant strategy of losing on purpose when the rest of us just want you to stop.

@TheGreatLeon, I agree entirely with the sentiment of your last post.

That said, asking someone to stop using a “winning-ish” strategy is kind of a fools errand because without any consequences, they wont… or others will attempt to exploit the same loophole, to varying degrees of success.

I stand by my comment that the system needs changed and have heard some great ideas and some not so great ideas. Ultimately, I like presenting the problem statement in open forum for discussion like has been done here (thank you) and drawing everyone’s attention to it, including @Fizzer so we can work toward a solution where our only goal is to win matches so we can hopefully at some point get good enough to have a go at that top spot ;)

Edited 2025-08-26 18:48:31

I disagree entirely with both of your statements.

your clans just like pure hammering cwr, I totally understand you. not much fws yield clans will be always bias.

But it takes the whole clan to be on the same page to do what we do, for 2fw today, you are just being stupid

@pirtuzogno why are you here?

For the vast majority of us, it is to play a strategy game against a good opponent and attempt to win… if winning a match is not the goal and we engage in a system that rewards losing then seriously, WTF are we doing?

When I play old fashioned Risk at the dining room table, I’m not doing it to intentionally lose to the 12 year old so I can keep my family rating low and hope to get a future matchup with my wife or a free win (we are a family of 5) instead of seeing what I can do against the college biology major.

I do not see any genius at all in getting the whole clan to lose games so you can get a free win where you don’t even play (wtf is the point) or to get matched up with the weaker players in the game.

Again, no hate to you or your team, it is a loophole that exists and you are exploiting it, just like I do with my taxes but for the sake of the spirit of the game, I just do not see how anyone could disagree with switching to a system that ENCOURAGES WINNING!!!

Yes, we’re all very impressed at your ability to surrender games in the distribution phase. Almost as impressive as your ability to calculate whether the number of players queuing is odd or even. And it’s truly unprecedented how you manage to beat new players on SEAD.

@PBR: Agreed. These clowns seem to lack any semblance of competitive integrity or empathy so the rules need to change. We could create pairings by standings rather than CWR, we could pair randomly, we could limit FWs to one per day. It’s just sad that it comes to this.

it's the last time I'm posting here, they accused me of publicity on not my own post.

talk what you want, the point is cwr. if we lived in your idea of CW, they wouldn't be cwr, we would be hammering ourselves to stupidity.

it's Fizzer's game and I doubt we are pushing too far our luck, we are just trying to add a new level to CW, where cwr do matter.. its not the first time we change CW rules if something goes out of hand..

but the fact of you complaining means there is water deep down, I just need to dig far enough down to reach my water.. and I'm very stubborn when I make my mind

FYI, I’m a fairly mediocre player who has been around, on again and off again, for a long time… I am presently 4 - 14 against Whitebeard in CW and yet, I throughly enjoy playing them, they are a quality player and I like to test myself. Win or lose, I review prior games, see what moves I made right/wrong, what strategy they used to defeat me, etc.

Why would you want to get a free win where you don’t play at all? Why would you want to roll over a player who isn’t particularly skilled? Where is the fun or enjoyment in that? I can truly say that I just do not get it at all!

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I'm curious - I'm following this and the feature request. Has anyone had any communication with Fizzer on this? Wasn't at the last AMA. Curious on his attitude towards this and respect his time.

sometimes i like a free win, when i don’t have time but want to help the clan. with the old system and 5s’ cw page harmony would actively look for fw opportunities.
there’s nothing wrong with playing the system. the current matchmaking was due to fizzer opening the algorithm and asking players to offer options. those were run through a simulation. the goal was to reduce no games. doc k and 5s were the ones who offered the best solution iirc.

the issue with this strategy is it denies players a real game to play against someone honestly trying to win; these are players who have taken time to be online at a certain time, queued to play a game and actually got matched ... and then get surrendered to on T1?

it's a pretty big let down, I won't say no one wants this but I'd imagine very few players do

you're effectively those brainiacs driving on the shoulder bypassing all the cars waiting in traffic then cut in at some opportune moment of your choice and declare it a victory based on your saved time, and call it a 'strategy'

imho you should at least ask the other player if they'd like a gift win or not, and have the respect for the game to play it out if they answer No; tbh I'd be interested in how many players would actually say Yes

If the system is set up a certain way and it isn't against the rules, sure, exploit it. But don't speak out as if it isn't an exploit and if it shouldn't be fixed.

But as someone pointed out, in sports leagues they try to fix things so you are not motivated to throw games at the end of a season one league uses an adjusted lotto system for example so even if yo tank and get last you are not sure of getting the first draft pick

I've played a game in the past where in order to get ahead you have to tank games hard then drive back up the rankings, it was miles more effective than sitting it out and grinding. I thought it was lame and quite frankly a bit of a turn off.

we get more 'thank you' notes than expected, you can check chats.. maybe we find a guy without a win for the season, hustling for his 1st win to claim rewards

the argument that you spend time for it, amazes me, like we do it offline..

we are just like robin hoods, giving cwr to the poor

offline? isn't this CW? online RT matches?

I can't speak for all, but I personally would be bummed out if I decided to play CW today, was at WZ for the 20:00 window, queued up, waiting 10 mins (however long it is, I forget now), then the game starts, I'm looking at the board ... and suddenly, victory with no battle

I think you are doing it wrong,
my guys comes at 20:09:45, by 20:10:15, they are doing what they want

Didn’t you say you were done posting here? Seems like someone has a guilty conscience…

This last post by you highlights the exact problem: it’s a complete lack of empathy and understanding for the people around you.

CW is supposed to be fun. It’s a convenient time for players to find similar skilled opponents for RT games with an overarching structure and meaning. But when you throw games, it stops being a convenient time for other players because they wait around for a game that never starts. When you sandbag, it messes with the fidelity of ratings and stops being a game against a similar skilled opponents. And when you make a mockery of the standings, it destroys the overarching structure and makes the whole thing feel pointless.

You haven’t stumbled upon a secret strategy which the rest of us aren’t smart enough to use. krinid’s analogy of using the shoulder of the road to overtake stopped traffic is apt. We’re all perfectly aware this can be done. We’re just not assholes.

why are so many dumping on kc? they’re doing what everyone else can as well. are we tired of being angry at the mb method of bringing in good players’ alts (or mains) from small clans? i know the mb roster is fairly set these days. is it jealousy?
can we please stop being angry at a successful clan?

Edited 2025-09-02 01:19:01

Imagine being so bad you need a loophole and still end up in second place :)

imagine being in a clan that hasn’t been cw relevant in so many seasons. oh wait, you don’t need to image.
it took the combined efforts of the best cw players to dethrone mb. second is what the rest play for.

We are not CW relevant. CW is relevant because of us.

Myth Busters also did not beat us. Myth Busters came to live through us.