What’s all the fuss about. We are doing it our way and you are doing it your way. Good luck to you all. You lot are the brawn and we are the brains. Live with it!
Neither Uzay nor I are representing MB or complaining on behalf of MB. I would argue MB doesn’t really have ‘legal standing’ here since KC aren’t a realistic threat to MB.
I’m here as an individual because what you’re doing is gross. You’re throwing games, you’re wasting everyone’s time waiting around for games that don’t start, and you’re ruining pairings for the entire system.
This isn’t brawn versus brains, or minnows versus whales, or David versus Goliath. Any reasonable third party would look at this situation and say you guys are clowns.
There are multiple KC members in here unironically defending throwing games. Are you guys serious?
It has been known for some time that lowering your CWR results in more FWs and has been a known meta strategy. Knyte’s club just takes this to its logical conclusion and throws games at a large scale.
If the meta strategy is losing on purpose helps down the line, then obviously this is something that should be addressed regardless of who or how it is done. You can defend using it as a strategy but defending the concept of losing on purpose is a bad take
When the point becomes winning without even playing, you know something's wrong. This sort of behavior has become so extreme that Fizzer will have no choice but to fix the loophole. And when it's all said and done, everyone will be left thinking Veravari actually had a point. How ironic.
It is in the wiki that Rigging is fundamentally against the rules.
Manipulation of CWR is essentially a form of rigging of a clan war season.
The algorithm is now understood well enough and used so that Knyte can get up to 10 free wins a day. This offsets purposefully losing to very low ranked clans, though it's less obvious now than at the end of last season where there was bulk surrendering. Now there's bad play or surrenders after the game is won.
I should also add that in every sport where there is a benefit to being ranked low (eg, for drafts) there is also a strong focus on making sure teams don't purposefully lose games to benefit. Because it kills the fun and sport for everyone.
whatever you guys are thinking, wake up please.. they are rules, and rules apply to all of us. it's not like we rigging or cheating. you have your clans, you can do the same..
don't hate the player, hate the game
it's honestly about brains Vs muscle.. they got all the muscles and make it a muscle game, everyone hammering their cwr to stupidly If you can't outmuscle then, you outsmart them..
FYI, no hate for anyone, it’s just a stupid system. I understand the attempt to try to create a more competitive landscape but the potential ramifications were not fully considered.
Encourage winning, not losing.
Kudos to those who figured out how to exploit the loophole, now let’s close it and get back to playing to win!
I just counted the green dots of knyte club (but ignored that 2v2 should be double)
knyte club won 53 games out of the last 100, including free wins. This is really not extraordinary. They have their free wins but their win rate is within the margin of error of the expected 50%.
So the CW system is working. Surrendering as a group on picking stage creates a lot of noise but it is not the genius hack you guys make it out to be.
The real money is still to be made when you manage to force the CW matchmaking to constantly pair you with lower rated clans. In order to beat MB you guys need to specialize on one template where there are not too many opponents (not SE) and you have to become experts in that one template. And then when there are 6 opponents playing, you send 6 players in. This is what the top clans have been doing forever. You send a stack into a template so you can farm some noobs.
You guys surrendering during picking stage shows that you have the heart at the right place. But now you need to channel your dedication. Look at the existing templates and look for one or 2 obscure ones. Get good at those templates and use them for farming.
You need to monitor each matchup you get. It really is not about artificially keeping your Elo down but about forcing the algorithm to give you matchups where your Elo is way higher than the opponents Elo. The problem with SE is that there are many opponents and many opponents means that the CW algorithm has more options to give you fair matchups.
E.g. if you constantly get matchups where you have an 80% win chance based on the Elo difference, then this means that you can win 80% of your games without your Elo moving at all.
At M'Hunters I had to ask people to stop playing SE. We were rated usually as the second highest active clan so we started at the top of the matchmaking algorithm and were not able to dig deep in SE. Even if we joined with a stack of 15, we were not able to dig deep enough to get a substantial amount of stomp matchups. But thinking about it, since you are rated lower, SE has one benefit for you which is that the amount of players higher rated than you protects you from MB digging down to you.
So yeah, SE might give you "some" success but it will never be enough to beat MB. When MB joins with just a small stack in Multi Attack, they will get maybe sometimes 1 fair matchup and all other games are against low Elo clans.
Why are you guys taking a victory lap for coming in 2nd?
1st - MB. Took the time to get good at the game and learn the CW templates. Unflinchingly queue whatever they want whenever they want knowing they have the advantage on any battleground.
2nd - KC. Artificially lower their CWR to play the weakest opponents they can and still lose half their games. Run and hide from quality opponents. Publicly boast about how clever they are for discovering the ground-breaking strategy of wasting everyone’s time.
3rd - Prime. Learn the game and try to beat the best opponents because it’s fun and rewards PrimePoints. Mostly play Idle, but still try their hardest in CW to get Idle rewards. If they come 5th, great! If they come 2nd, even better! Always willing to lend a helping hand or fill a clan request.
Again, this isn’t brains vs brawns. It’s clowns versus integrity. Do you honestly think the same players who thrash you 95%+ at a strategy game aren’t capable of figuring out this ground-breaking strategy? Clowns.
