I think end of the cw season they should gain both 2nd rank award as well as 6th rank award since free wins alone would put them 6th place.
We should also give an award for surrendering games on distribution at the first week of cw. An achievement maybe.
BTW in case anyone is curious about actual solution, increasing cwr gain from free wins to a significant amount would solve most of the issues. It may cause cwr inflation but that's easier to deal with.
Right now cwr increase from free win is a joke. Less than 1 if I remember right.

There is probably other possible solutions, I just wrote one that is easy to implement and could be useful, dont really care how it is solved as more as it is solved.

knyte club?

I respect that. But I'm afraid they might have the heart but they are lacking the strategy. A lot of thought has to be taken into gaming the CW system and lot's of things can go wrong.

It is not just about randomly surrendering games. The aim has to be to get a > 50% win rate. If you fail to get a > 50% win rate, then you aren't gaming the system but you are geting gamed.

Such bunglers make me sick with them randomly surrendering games. You guys are smearing the fine art of gaming the CW system.

Back in my days, I invented a strategy to farm one template. We went in it like a precisely coordinated hit crew. Surrendering games on distribution should only be a thing once a season is either already already either won or lost. But it is not really worth it, we never did that. You can't tank your rating enough by surendering but your rating goes up again in no time.

Not gonna lie, I respected the first (few) times when they had excess wins, so they "spent" these wins to get a lower cwr to get easier opponents.
The issue is right now they can do it in an extreme amount without any downsides, since free wins practically don't increase cwr.

all I'm seeing is..
it is actually working, and you are scared now

we are not violating any rules whatsoever

Edited 2025-08-25 10:11:09

I mean I am not accusing kynthe with a rule break (TBH, I don't know whether it breaks any rules or not but it is not my issue on that anyways)
And my issue isnt with losing to lower cwr either.
It is free wins, as in the past (and if it stays the same, in the future) free wins are causing issues.
It is an issue at the system when a clan with a free win rate somewhere between 35-40%, is comfortably at the 2nd place.
I wont count all the past times which free win was an issue. There has been multiple instances which free wins have been changed, and to me it looks like it needs a change again.

I think it would be better if winning happens by bringing in the wins, than winning happens by using trickery loopholes in the system.

since we are here, if anyone have tips how to improve our strategy to reach 1st, mail me..
proud 2nd with 313cwr

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I don’t mind if you guys target free wins. You’re providing liquidity to the pairing system, you get compensated for it. That’s all well and good. That’s how FWs are supposed to work.

Throwing games is disgusting. I’m legitimately surprised you managed to find 25+ people who are okay with it.

You’re also somehow all too fucking stupid to realize you can throw more than 25 games in a day at the end of the season to much greater effect. You’ve been doing this for over a year and you still suck at it. You should be targeting 50+.

Make alts if you need to, the lack of a spine or morals doesn’t seem to be a problem. There’s no penalty for playing >50 games if they’re all losses in the distribution phase anyway.

you know what is actually disgusting..
if we are actually to play 20 games. Win 10, lose 10, it will still increase out cwr with 90, due to how stupidly high your cwr is, and we are just avoiding you guys for unnecessary cwr gain

You’re defending throwing games because boo hoo MB is too good and it’s not fun playing against good players.

What you’re failing to realize is that you’re throwing off matchmaking for the entire playerbase. It isn’t victimless; the bottom feeders you end up playing against deserve proper matchmaking too.

noone said too good

It is funny that the team that has had a stranglehold on cw is complaining about anything, to be honest. Why can’t other clans try to get an edge within the system to compete?

All right fellows. Here is an old skillz guide to game the CW system from the grandmaster himself. I was doctoring on gaming the system before you guys even knew this game existed.
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Prerequisite: How Elo works

WarLight is using some true skill system derivate but this doesn't matter, it is about the concept. Play with https://crowthornechess.org.uk/elo-calculator/


Here against MB with the current rating and a realistic K factor of 30. If you win you get 29 points which is almost the entire maximum of 30 and if you lose, you lose 1 point. For the sake of the argument we assume a K factor of 30 since it is about the concept.

Let's symbolize the value of a game with gold coins. Each game gives you 30 gold coins minus the Elo gain in case you win. So for that MB game you only get 1 gold coin. Now should you win or lose the game? It doesn't matter! The game against Myth Busters gives you 1 gold coin no matter what. This game is worthless. Don't try to win against MB, don't try to lose against them. Avoid them.

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How the CW algorithm works

If you understand the Elo argument, you understand the value of particular matchups and the value of free wins. When a free win gives you 1 rating point, then you get a total of 30-1 = 29 gold pieces for a free win. If you don't game the system at all and don't get gamed by other clans, then you end up with 15 coins per game. What you want is to constantly play the money games. The money games are games where you get significantly more than 15 coins.

How you move into the money games is a dynamic process and you need to watch the behavior of the other clans and those other clans might adapt to you so you always need to monitor to stay a step ahead of the competition. The way the CW algorithm works is that it pairs the players from highest rated to lowest rated clan. E.g. if the highest rated clan has 2 players, then it first randomly pairs one player with the highest available opponent clan and then the other player with the next highest rated clan opponent. But the point is now that if this clan joins with a stack of players, then the algorithm will move down the list for the pairings. So each additional player you send into a template will move you down in the pairing. You want to move down as deep as possible but there is just the danger that some players can end up without games. Now someone might argue that e.g. you are stacking SE but he is more skilled in another template. But that is a wrong way of thinking. You get the coins for the value of your pairing, not for whether you win or lose.

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It seems your Strat is mostly focused on free wins. A free win is great, worth 29 coins. I would still fish for them but I believe you guys are far too concerned with keeping your Elo down. You shouldn't think generally in terms of "keeping your Elo down" but in terms of "playing against opponents below your Elo". Whether you are successful with farming the system or whether you get farmed can get very easily checked. All you need to do is look at whether you have more green dots than red dots in your CW profile page. This is what gaming the system is truly about: Winning more than 50%.

Edited 2025-08-25 18:03:30

@Rowddaeg What...aboutism. + my opinions wouldnt really change even if I were part of another clan, and like... tbh I was expecting someone else from another clan to do that but then decided to do it myself.

All im saying is it’s really easy to say what you’re saying when you’re number one.

Thanks Norman, I’ll take some time to think through that

probably noone else said I'd cause noone cares about clan war anymore?

And to confirm some of what you’ve said, we have missed some games because the cwr was too low. We’re trying to balance everything, which is often impossible.

Effectively we get 25 games a day. After that any wins get diminished. Free wins don’t count nearly the same towards rating, so we do fish for those when possible. For those, the group with the lowest cwr is the one that gets them, so we feed into that. It’s not as nefarious as some make it seem. And certainly not against any current rules.

we weren't so obsessed with low cwr, but past few seasons prove us that swimming out of plankton area, it's an actual slippery slope.. to destroying your cwr with MB, you just need to avoid them at all cost