From the Blogpost https://www.warzone.com/blog/index.php/2023/05/upcoming-ladder-refresh/

"Today, ladders use a 3-day boot time. This made sense back in 2011, but today we have internet-connected phones and the game is much more accessible. Therefore, boot times for all ladders are being reduced. The 1v1 ladders will use a one-day boot with an additional day of banked time (for a total of 2 days). The team ladders will also use a one-day base boot, but give three days of banked time (for a total of 4 days, which is actually higher than now) to help with teammate coordination. Join ladders when you’re ready to play, not to stall."

If i read this correctly, Fizzer is talking about total Banked and not Banked added each turn.

"Today, ladders use a 3-day boot time. [...] The 1v1 ladders will use a one-day boot with an additional day of banked time (for a total of 2 days)"

Well... no.
Today you have 3-day boot for all turns. With this update you have 2-day boot once.
Like this update would make Warzone act like a Job where you have to come in everyday, do your work for the day and then leave.
With the difference that you dont get free time on Saturday and Sundays or Holidays.
Like the Ladder is MD.. but this would change it to SD (Single Day)

"The team ladders will also use a one-day base boot, but give three days of banked time (for a total of 4 days, which is actually higher than now) to help with teammate coordination."

Well... no.
This would give 4-day boot once.
Which is likely gonna be used up during Pickstage so the entire team is left with 1day boot for the rest.
And idk how Fizzer plans on people being able to communicate their orders on a single day.

I have 3 Proposals for the Boot Times.

2d+1d for 1v1
2d+2d for 2v2 - 3v3

This change is i think already undeniably better than the one proposed as you are guaranteed to have atleast 2days of time per turn.
And for team games you will still get 4day for the picks.

Or another option is to do something with adding Banked Time each turn.
[As pointed out by Vera, the following isnt actually how it works]
We have that feature so why not use it?
One use could be to make it
1d+2d +1d Banked added each turn (1v1)
1d+3d +1d Banked added each turn (2v2 / 3v3)
This is effectivly identical to the first proposal with the difference that you can now safe up banked time for crucial turns instead while still being faster than current 3day boot. (Tho could arguably be confusing for players who never played with added Banked Time)

Or the ultimate option.
Just leave it at 3day Boot. (maybe even add 1d Banked lmao)
Like there is no reason to change 3day Boot aside from unecessarly making the game faster.
There wont even be a reason to stall games anymore for the new ladder as Runs wont be a thing anymore.

Edited 5/3/2023 19:05:17

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Now that i m in my 30's, i dont think my weak heart can take the stress of 1-day multiday games anymore.
Not that i play any multiday.. or anything that requires a brain, but even if i did, i d still keep a safe distance from the 1-day-boot nightmare.

i like the approach of using bank time on the ladders. However, i believe ladders main focus isn't to work as an incentive to show up daily to the game. At the very least a basic boot time of 1 day 12h + 1 day bank seems a must, i would prefer if you didn't have to show up during the weekends though, which would mean at least 2 days boot + 1 day bank.

For team ladders, i can't see it being competitive without at least 2 days boot + 2 days bank. A beautiful part of warzone is getting to know people from all over the world, also on the ladders. It's very hard to find enough time on different timezones though. That problem is even bigger, if you join the ladder as a single player to be teamed up with one or two other random players.

+1 everyone

1d boot is even shorter than 'once a day'. If i take my turn at 9am today, 9:15am tomorrow could be too late already. So effectively you have to play every like 20h if you dont want to run into bank time every day.
1d12h would be more like 'daily'.

I don't think I would play the ladder if it was less than 3 day boot time. I like that it gives me time to think, and doesn't make me pressured to go any faster, leaving time to take care of other stuff than WZ as well, all while thinking about the strategy I want to take in the games I'm in already. I agree, definitely at least 2 days should be guaranteed, and the banked time suggestion sounds good as well. Personally, I don't have any issue with the current 3day boot, and I saw some posts in the ladder forums suggesting that some people would prefer if there should be a faster-paced ladder, because some people don't want to wait a lot, so maybe a split is warranted? Either way, if the boot time shortens too much, then it will become a chore for me, rather than fun, and I feel like many people might feel similarly about the issue.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=52765

I understand the change in boot time in Fizzer 's tourney better now. and it does indeed feel too short.

Maybe the possibility to start a Realtime game directly from let's say the 1v1 isn't so stupid.
It would still count just like a normal ladder game, just that it's played with real-time settings. Functionality basically the old RTL.

The problem with 1 day is that it's neither a fast game "i wanna play a game now!" nor a slow game "i have a busy life and wanna play after work" but some very weird mix in between.

+1 Beep Beep, that's exactly how I feel about it too. It's bad and just doesn't work imo. Either 3 minutes or 3 days, not 1 day. I like real-time games, and multi-day games, but not low-boot time multi-day games (or high-boot time real-time ones, for that matter)

Maybe the possibility to start a Realtime game directly from let's say the 1v1 isn't so stupid.
It would still count just like a normal ladder game, just that it's played with real-time settings. Functionality basically the old RTL.

It's as if you can read minds. I wanted to make that exact proposal :) +1

How about time zone consideration? The farther away you live from your opponent, you get that much more time. People within the same time zone, perhaps not 100% of the time, should be able to play their game in a respectable timely manner.

I'm in America. If I play someone from Australia or Japan, it would be nice to pocket that 12 hour difference. Then add in, "It's the weekend", so maybe a little more.

For those in the same or adjacent time zone, even if both players work different shifts, again, should be able to play their game in a respectable timely manner.

A game should be played for fun, with 1d boot it becomes a chore which would kill all the fun. Please reconsider the boot times.

3d makes time for the weekends.

"How about time zone consideration? The farther away you live from your opponent, you get that much more time. People within the same time zone, perhaps not 100% of the time, should be able to play their game in a respectable timely manner.

I'm in America. If I play someone from Australia or Japan, it would be nice to pocket that 12 hour difference. Then add in, "It's the weekend", so maybe a little more.

For those in the same or adjacent time zone, even if both players work different shifts, again, should be able to play their game in a respectable timely manner."

I wouldnt needlesly complicate it.
Whatever option is being used, it should be ideally standardized.
Standardisation is basicly the go to for everything and that for a reason.

If the goal is to have people stay a long time on a ladder, you shouldn't force them to play daily (ehm, CW). Many people enjoy thinking about games during daily chores/ before sleeping etc.
For 1v1 3 days + ~2 days banked as backup is a reasonable boot time, if you want people to be in your ladder permanently.
For team games, the same applies, but you might want to give more time for picks.

@Roi Joleil

Or another option is to do something with adding Banked Time each turn.
We have that feature so why not use it?
One use could be to make it
1d+2d +1d Banked added each turn (1v1)

▶ Banked time refresh occurs daily (per day), not turnly (per turn). And if you refresh 1-day banked per day, you'll have infinite banked time :P However, I totally agree with you. Banked-time refresh should definitely be used. To make your proposal realistic, we can use something like;

Your Ideal Proposal: 1-Day Regular + 2-Day Banked + 12h Refresh (per day).

This way, you'll have at least 1.5-3 day to play every turn which is slow for me but its faster than current system so I would like that

imo great update fizzer



i agree that 3 days is too long, but will the 1 day bank time regenerate? if not then the 1 day boot will suck for many



some people play once a day, but now you have to check twice a day. sometimes you have a busy day and forget or don't get round to playing. some people don't play on the weekend. what if you want to go to a festival?

imo the minimum should be 1 day 12 hours (which is the standard for fast MD games as it means you can play the same time every day without worrying), with 1 day regenerating boot - that gives people enough time to, eg, not play on the weekend

thanks for reading, yours in hope
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Edited 5/3/2023 18:53:44

shows you how underused the feature is Vera

@VERAVARI

if you refresh 1-day banked per day, you'll have infinite banked time :P

▶ A-HA! I finally got you now you son of a beauty! You are WRONG!!! If you refresh 1-day banked per day, you'll always have maxed banked time but its not infinite because this refresh only takes effects after the turn ends. So your banked time will NOT be infinite!

You swore to destroy misinformation in this world and I finally got you, spreading misinformation. You DISGUST me!

Next time I'm at the airport for a long flight with a layover, rather than message loved ones I'd have to try to connect to wifi. Failing that, purchase the expensive in-flight wifi that most long-haul providers have now just to desperately make some rash moves. Failing that, upon landing buy a SIM card asap and leave my bag just to try to make a move. No more Himalaya treks cos after Manang there is no internet for 3/4 days. No more going to countries with patchy internet. No more unfortunate trips to hospital. Umm...... no. 3 days is the norm.