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First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 11/23/2022 13:41:48


Math Wolf 
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How are you planning to get over Belgium having a disappointing World Cup?

The same as always, by not caring at all.
In fact, I'd be happy for Belgium to be eliminated as quickly as possible so the rest of the country also stops caring so much about it and we can finally talk about other, actually interesting sports.

This is not new by the way, nor am I saying it now because apparently there is a need for at least 3 articles per day about "last chance for the golden generation" and "will Belgium underperform again". I actually had a lengthy conversation about this with rakleader more than a year ago: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=26351097 (you'll have to scroll through the part where we talk about the game and the seasonal ladder first).

So in summary what I told rakleader there, and which hasn't changed one bit truly: I don't like noise.
I understand that people want reasons to drink, to party, to celebrate. I just find it not very nice that my own wellbeing is impacted by that. The rest of the year, people seem to find it only acceptable to party in designated locations for it. But when soccer comes around, it's normal to go celebrate on the streets and make a lot of noise.
So my preferred teams are those that make the least noise. I'm hoping for an early exist of Belgium and The Netherlands, the ones who make the most noise where I live, and a finals of Iceland vs. Japan.



However, what is most disappointing about this world cup, and what everyone should be talking about rather than the games, is obviously everything else about it. Or more specifically: everything on Qatar organising it, FIFA being you know FIFA, or as John Oliver neatly describes them: "A cartel-like group of scumbags and assorted criminals who ocassionaly put on soccer matches", and everyone else involved just shutting it for the sake of it. Because money is power.
The only reason that I find it too bad that I didn't watch any of the previous world cups, is that me totally boycotting this one won't make any difference really. I was already implicitly boycotting the previous ones as well.
On that note, we all surely all remember the previous world cup in the super democratic, human rights loving country of Russia. Given FIFA's history, I'm looking forward to the world cups in China, Saudi Arabia and North Korea. Oh, you though that was a joke? It isn't actually, it's real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2030_FIFA_World_Cup

We can have our disagreements about what sports we like. I won't dislike anyone for being passionate about soccer. And while it's utterly annoying, I can accept up to a certain degree that sports media in Belgium are all about soccer, with, no exaggeration, competition matches between youth teams in second division, or the newest hairdo of a Belgium player who hasn't playing in or for Belgium in a decade, getting more attention than world championships in lesser popular or lesser known sports.
However, we must agree about the atrocities that are committed in the margins of these type of tournaments again and again and again. FIFA only cares about its money. They don't care about worker's rights, they don't care about dictatorships, they don't care about human rights issues. They are indeed a cartel-like group of scumbags and assorted criminals, and at least some of them are corrupt.

So let's go over a few points:
  • A bid that did not fulfill the minimum requirements
  • Getting the world cup through corruption and bribery
  • Threatening the whistle blower who exposed said corruption
  • The integrated system of worker abuse
  • Suppression of expression of opinions
  • Using FIFA to enforce such suppression

Their bid was pretty horrible. Let's be honest here for a moment, the only reason FIFA allowed Qatar to even continue their bid, to even allow a vote on it, was because of the money. There was no soccer culture, the temperature is way too hot, there were no stadiums, even some cities didn't exist yet, and the plans were full of lies and eggregious errors.
It's like a student being allowed to take an exam while they were not even qualified to take the course, have no experience with the field whatsoever, and never bothered to purchase the material or attend class. They just want the degree because it would looks good on their CV.

And to continue to analogy, they then went on to bribe the teacher to ace the exam. FIFA is corrupt. And if there is not always proof of it, that is simply because they are so corrupt and have so much money as a result, that they can lobby, bribe and threaten to let evidence disappear.
We don't know if the bribery of officials made the difference in getting the bid. Maybe they'd have gotten it without bribery as well. But it still stand that they actively bribed officials and their bid was objectively definitely not the best one.

However, up to this point, sure, whatever... It's bad, but it's FIFA, it's in line of expectations truly.

However, the whistleblower who exposed this bribery got threatened, and still getting threats by the Qatari government up to this day. And she's living in the US now! They exposed her identity, FIFA (surprise...) ignored her evidence and she's actually under FBI protection to this day. Google Phaedra Al-Majid and you can find enough reputable sources sharing her story.
Now, we may turn a blind eye to corruption and horrible bids, but threatening people is obvious never OK.
But we know that it doesn't end with just a single whistleblower getting threatened.

The kafala system led to numerous worker's abuses, thousands of deaths, and even that is likely an underestimate of the harm done to migrant workers in Qatar. To be fair, it has nothing to do with the World Cup, they were already doing it before and other surrounding countries are also doing it. However, none of that is an excuse. The stadiums were built by modern slaves. And I hope we can agree that there is no excuse for essentially enslaving people to build soccer stadiums, especially not "but we were already enslaving migrants to build our skyscrapers" nor "but our neighbour is also enslaving people".
The scale of it all, and FIFA turning a complete blind eye to it, are absolutely horrendous and should result in anyone in their right mind to boycott the event.

Now it seems it's not the worker's abuse that has been on everyone's mind, but the conservative values of the country and that visitors would not be allowed to express themselves.
While I do think that this is pretty minor compared to the above - after all, why wouldn't you obey the laws of the country that you visit - the associated repression is problematic. Qatar is not nearly the worst country in this regard however, and while I personally dislike it, by itself it's not a major issue. If a country suddenly allowed people to murder each other, that doesn't mean that its people could go anywhere in the world to murder people "because we are allowed in our country".
It would be nice if people would relax a bit, and be a tad less conservative when it comes to certain values. With one specific example: being gay is not a disease, people are born that way and can't change it. It's too bad that in a country like Qatar, there is major repression of it. If they want to forbid anyone to kiss or show other ways of affection in public, sure, that's within their rights as a government. Neither do they have to allow gay couples to marry. But you know, don't beat them up and throw them in prison maybe?
However, I cannot stress this enough: it's still better than dying from a heatstroke while building a football stadium in inhumane circumstances.

Lastly, FIFA is aware of all this and actively using its power to stifle all criticism, bending football rules to suppress freedom of speech and expression. I believe they threatened to suspend any players wearing some sort of symbol at one point? And if anyone still had any doubt about how evil they were, just listen to the speech of their boss last week. Rather than ignoring the topic, as they used to do, or pretending to be helping with positive change, he went full on attack.
Obviously, people are recognising that he has a point. And don't worry, I did as well. Next time when someone accuses me of enslaving migrant workers, and on the side killing of a few of them, I'll make sure to tell the police that this person has no right to speak and is a hypocrit because surely one of their ancestors must have done something bad as well at one point. If I slip them a few million, I'm sure police will be more than willing to accept my version.


For those who haven't seen it yet, most of these points were beautifully covered by John Oliver in his show on Sunday. Most of the above I already knew personally, but John Oliver did a great job of filling in some of the blanks for me and explains it in a much more funny and thought-provoking way than I ever could. You can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqLDhl8PXw

Also, I have no idea how this topic got and remained upvoted. But if you want to upvote something in this topic, let it be this post.
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 11/23/2022 18:00:47


l4v.r0v 
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The only reason that I find it too bad that I didn't watch any of the previous world cups, is that me totally boycotting this one won't make any difference really. I was already implicitly boycotting the previous ones as well.


https://www.timeout.com/uk/news/6-ways-you-can-support-human-rights-in-qatar-without-boycotting-the-world-cup-111722#

jSYK there's other ways to support migrant workers and human rights in Qatar and other places like it. A donation to Amnesty International is one of the best and it's what I've been doing.

The conservative values I wouldn't downplay so much. Yes, it's only a minor pain for visitors to refrain from alcohol & such, but the visitors are just noticing and highlighting impacts on Qatar's own population. Qatari gays won't simply be allowed to be themsleves again in 28 days.

In all honesty, we wouldn't be talking about Qatari's repressive and barbaric laws had they not been hosting the World Cup, because we have the option of simply not thinking about it and from our perspective it's a trivial matter of having limitations if we visit one of many foreign countries. But we should also consider the lens of people for whom it's home, especially the non-expats, who will continue to be affected by Qatar's repression long after the world goes back home & moves on.
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 11/23/2022 21:52:28


Math Wolf 
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Very nice link, knyte!

To be completely honest, the reason that I downplay it, is also partially the Warzone ToS.
This is not a political thread, and talking about gay (and woman's) rights in a country, especially when answering a question that did not mention politics, feels like toeing a fine line.
Additionally, that discussion is not unique to Qatar and not linked to the maffia's, I mean FIFA's event taking place there now.
I'm more than happy to condemn it in the strongest wording in a dedicated space for it, and as you rightfully point out, not just now, but anytime really.

You probably noticed that I did not mention that they forbade alcohol as that is a religiously inspired decision and hence this is not the place to discuss that.

Meanwhile, calling out slave labour and human rights abuses is not political I'd say, but rather criminal / judiciary / law, or you know plain ethics (or the complete lack thereof from Qatari government and FIFA). Someone saying that "discussing whether slave labour is allowed*" is actual political debate should probably mark their real-life character sheet with "lawful evil" and hopefully never gets in power, so I feel my post is (mostly) within the ToS.

* with the exception of forced labour with certain rights in the penitiary system, and whatever people do in a consensual BDSM context, which I belief are two situations in which it can be discussed whether one wants it to be legally allowed or not, and where the ethics component is less clear cut.
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 11/24/2022 08:03:13


l4v.r0v 
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Huh, explains a lot. Very... Interesting methodology for applying the rules. A lot of things now click.

Edited 11/24/2022 16:52:56
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 11/25/2022 13:56:09


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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When are you finally signing up Statisticians for CL16?
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 11/28/2022 07:58:59


Math Wolf 
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When do you start getting Christmas presents?

I'm in a family where there isn't that much of a Christmas present giving tradition. As a result, Christmas shopping isn't really a thing for me. It happens, every now and then, but it's just like any other gift buying, e.g. for birthdays.
When I know long in advance that I should buy someone a present, I often do that, buy it well advance and have it ready. Recently, I also bought some chocolate to have it ready to give out to people when necessary.
However, when I don't have much time, I may just go out the day in advance or so to buy it. I know it's busy in the streets then, but I usually have a specific single target, making it easier to handle the masses.

I do not like shopping for presents, I find it hard and annoying. I love giving things to people though. The problem is that at some moments (Christmas, birthdays, marriages, but luckily not Valentines), there is the expectation of a gift. When you are buying to match an expectation, there is the risk of underperforming. I don't like the idea of getting judged when it comes to present giving. Similarly, I tend to be quite awkward when receiving gifts myself. A lot around it is quite fake.
Giving something at any random time "just because", for example when just visiting, feels different because there is less or no expectation, and you can just make people happen. Even when the gift is quite shitty, there is no real harm done, it's more like an "oh well" feeling.
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 11/28/2022 09:28:04


Math Wolf 
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How does it feel to have a life now?

Stressful?

Truly though, my life has always been hectic and too busy, and Warzone was in a sense a form of escapism.
As explained a while ago, the escapism at times became a burden itself, with Warzone, and especially the boot timer, giving more stress than it is relieved (not even mentioning any other Warzone activities such as Idle which also can feel stressful when you start to feel that you're losing time whenever you don't come online close to the end of the idle time)

So I did enjoy not having any games while it lasted. Between the P/R league and the seasonal, I'm again in 7 games now, so far for that relaxed feeling without worry about boot timers, and just a bunch of other "life" stuff bothering me.

Of course, from a technical point of view, I have had a life for a few decades already. The question is truly what I did and do with it. Surely an hour a day on Warzone for over 10 years is a life well spent no? I mean, that's only about 4000 hours, you know, the equivalent of actually half a year at 24 hours a day...
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/1/2022 16:55:03


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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"How are you planning to get over Belgium having a disappointing World Cup?"

How did Cornman know?

EDIT: Today might be the day where the Belgian coloured flags fall out of the competition.

Edited 12/1/2022 16:57:44
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/2/2022 06:51:25


alexclusive 
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Where have you been on 12th of January 2011
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/6/2022 06:52:57


Ruthless 
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We've had a few games over the years when you went by "MathWolf" :P

Happy clean house! My games list took a very long time to clear out as well. But here I am after almost 14 years of Warlight and I've rejoined both the 2v2 ladder and 1v1 ladder. Now my games are full again!



I wanted to say congrats on getting 1st place in all the ladders, that's a huge achievement! I've only gotten 1st in 2v2 once way back when and I understand how difficult it can be.

Maybe we can play an unranked 1v1 for old times sake
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/10/2022 17:00:45


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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At least you can say Belgium had to play in the hardest group in this Worl Cup
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/11/2022 03:23:08


pooposaur
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What do your typical days look like? Are there any routines or habits you have that you stick to on a daily basis? What do you usually do in the morning, afternoon and evening? How do you spend your free time? Are there any activities that you do to relax and unwind? Are there any hobbies or interests that you like to pursue? How has your daily life changed since the pandemic began? What has been the biggest challenge or adjustment you've had to make? How has the change impacted your mental health? What do you think of the current state of your daily life? Is there anything you would like to change or improve?
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/11/2022 14:29:55


I am Groot 
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Math Wolf,

Do you believe in Baruch de Spinoza's belief in God? Spinoza was a 17th century Dutch philosopher. He was a realist. The number one question students asked Einstein was "do you believe in God". He answered,"I believe in Spinoza's God".


You seem to be a realist as I am. I a retired research chemist and engineer.
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/16/2022 08:50:25


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@Math Wolf
Have not read all of it yet, but for me this already is the best forum thread in a long time, congrats! Like your answers, agree with most of it. Overall quite an interesting little "social experiment".

My learnings so far:
- your nick - until now i also assumed it was related to math and wolves
- atrocious l4v.r0v is not the only one writing essay length posts in an online game forum
- there are - a few - really intelligent people around here

Sorry, don't have a question atm.
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/16/2022 13:15:03


JK_3 
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Why do things get lost in the Bermuda Triangle?
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/19/2022 16:42:54


Darth Grover
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If something is the opposite of important, why isn't it "exportant"?
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/24/2022 13:37:47


mobtrio 
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Do you think it's ridicolous for people declare themselves not believing in God but celebrate Christmass?
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 12/24/2022 17:00:52


l4v.r0v 
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What are your thoughts on carbon offsets?
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 1/2/2023 11:35:06


JK_3 
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are you still alive? did you retire? did you blow both of your hands up by using fireworks in an irresponsible way? did you grow tired of answering our questions?
First time with no game in 10 years - AMA: 1/10/2023 03:05:31

Tuck-ae
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What was your favorite subject in school
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